Riots in Southport

Iam64

Reading all this thread just now has been very reassuring. So many sensible, grounded comments and support for the police and emergency services

The EDL are thugs. A poster early on this thread described them as thick as mince. They shout things like English till I die as they hurl wheelie bins, tear down garden walls so they can throw bricks at police officers and dogs. Disgusting people - I wonder about their IQ level

They should all receive long hard sentences, but will serve a fraction of that, once found guilty- my brother was a firefighter & my fella in the police

*Boys

Do people like the EDL worry you as well, Ug or is your concern confined to Muslims?

There's a frightening trend of misogynistic incel activity apparently online.Think Andrew Tate and his kind.For all these thugs know the perpetrator of these awful crimes could be one of these .We may never know his sick motivation.
The mob last night are too thick and violent themselves and sickening this attack on little girls just feeds their own thuggish tendencies.Many of them are very visible and identifiable. Feeling the way I do this morning with a family member injured in this -thankfully not as serious as some of the officers -I wish if they are on my kind of benefits they could immediately be withheld.Causing more fear, mayhem and damage. They obviously able to drop everything at a moments notice to go to Southport and protest.

Callistemon213

Tommy R led pro-Brexit protests but has now fled to Spain.
Oh, the irony.

and his real name is ;Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon

JaneJudge

Do intelligence services infiltrate their (edl and similar) online platforms? It can’t be that difficult to do

Yes, of course. MI5 and the police together.

That is how many attacks by extremists from all sides are prevented.

Urmstongran, please no more what ifs or stirring. You know very little about the young man, please wait with your comments until you do.It's not the time.

The riots were dreadful caused by the far right mob who can't wait to have a go at the police.There was an appeal last night by the family of one of the victims to stop the violence. These grieving people should not have to go through this as well .
I know our thoughts and prayers are with them and their community.

2nd line. It's not the time.

growstuff

Urmstongran What does any of your post have to do with the murders in Southport? It's pure speculation.

Invidious speculation

Urmstongran

growstuff

Urmstongran What does any of your post have to do with the murders in Southport? It's pure speculation.

Much of my post is highly relevant to Southport, the massacre here up in Manchester. I read through it carefully before I posted to fact check and to ensure nothing was in it that could be deemed inflammatory as, I’m sure there will be readers of this thread who will report if they see fit. My comments are measured and valid.

No, it is not relevant. Muslims are about as relevant to what happened in Southport as Yetis are.

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Urmstongran

I have not speculated. These commments were from neighbours and people in the community, reported in several newspapers.

Yes, you have speculated - worse than that, you've spread lies from other people.

I don't remember endless speculation about the British man who killed three people with a crossbow

He was named, being over 18.

Urmstongran

growstuff

And despite knowing that it was all a load of rubbish, people still go on about Muslims!

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We all know your opinions of Muslims, but they are irrelevant to what happened in Southport. If you want a rant, start a thread about them and don't hijack other people's grief with bigotry.

Callistemon213

^I don't remember endless speculation about the British man who killed three people with a crossbow^

He was named, being over 18.

But we didn't have comments about "other" cultures and comparisons with the Ariana Grande concert.

growstuff you don’t have a monopoly here on feeling devastated by events. I am just as outraged as you. So I shall comment if I choose to.

MaizieD

Do people like the EDL worry you as well, Ug or is your concern confined to Muslims?

Of course these mindless ‘rent a mob’ worry me.

growstuff

I'm beginning to wonder if this wasn't really directed at Muslims but at the police, against whom Tommy Robinson has a grudge. He skipped bail yesterday and an arrest warrant has been issued in Spain. He needs to keep the narrative going that it's the police against "us" and he wants to try and show that the police deal with Muslims more leniently than people like him. He's been on and on all day about how his arrest is unfair and the police and "establishment" have it in for him. He's used the fake news about the attacker in Southport to incite his followers and has been telling people to go there. I don't have polite words I could write on GN to describe what I think of him (or Farage, who also made a recording hinting that the attacker is Muslim). The latter is an MP and should be more responsible.

Of course it's directed at the police, as they work for the State, the EDL's underlying tenet is anarchy. To disrupt the Nation State. Minority groups are easy targets for anarchists to attack to promote their cause.
Then you read more invidious speculation, even on GN, l wonder if that's due to their support of anarchy or pure ignorance.

EDF are simply criminal thugs. As to the young man in custody misinformation has been used to wind people up. In my opinion it's wise not to speculate or stick labels on him.

As has been pointed out, the assailant is under 18 and therefore under UK law cannot be named. Although his name may well come out at some time, when there is mass outrage, as in the case against those who killed trans girl Brianna, I feel there is a consensus to not shield perpetrators of heinous crimes. I think the police are getting the brunt of anger for what some of the public perceive as historical obfuscation and possible anger that the suspect, for whatever reason was on the police radar and whenever that is stated there is the understandable ponderable, as to "could this have bern averted" Nevertheless there is a cynical misdirection of aggression by agitators. If the boy's family emanate from Rwanda, as reported, then as others have stated that country is overall Christian, so to attack mosques is taking the tragic circumstances of this case to just stir up racial disharmony.

I think the police are getting the brunt of anger for what some of the public perceive as historical obfuscation and possible anger that the suspect, for whatever reason was on the police radar and whenever that is stated there is the understandable ponderable, as to "could this have bern averted"

I’ve seen no evidence at all that the suspect was on the police radar.

There are CCTV/Ring Doorbell along with phone footage of the male being arrested all over social media.

He will be known locally by neighbours, school/college peers.

His birth date is also available.

Those circulating the above have to be aware of the consequences.

I hope there is enough recorded information about the riot to enable mass prosecution of the perpetrators too. So many policemen and dogs were injured.

Casdon

I hope there is enough recorded information about the riot to enable mass prosecution of the perpetrators too. So many policemen and dogs were injured.

Well if the posts on X are anything to go by there is ample footage of the thuggery last night in Southport.

Maggiemaybe

^I think the police are getting the brunt of anger for what some of the public perceive as historical obfuscation and possible anger that the suspect, for whatever reason was on the police radar and whenever that is stated there is the understandable ponderable, as to "could this have bern averted"^

I’ve seen no evidence at all that the suspect was on the police radar.

Neither have I seen any evidence. Maybe TerriBull could explain.