Riots in Southport

Kandinsky

*Sorry Kadinsky I genuinely don’t understand what you mean*

Well…..when black people riot here in the UK ( & they have on many an occasion )
what do you think of them?
What names would you call them?

Just curious.

No of course ‘their’ rioting isn’t justified. That kind of thinking contributed to the riots in Southport

It was organised through social networking by a particular right wing group - it was deliberate and not like a footy match, and based on social media information that had been discredited.

Going to a place where appalling murders had taken place, and attacking a mosque, is very specific.

tickingbird

growstuff

So why were thousands of people in London on Saturday?

I believe they were peacefully marching as they had a right to do. There was nothing wrong with that march and I was heartened to hear a left wing journalist talk about this a couple of nights ago.

He attended and said it was not far right; it was ordinary people of all ages and even mentioned a Muslim couple who he walked behind. People are fed up over all sorts of issues and they are sick of not being heard.

Doubtless you don’t believe they had any right to so.

I didn't claim they weren't peaceful. My point was that there were thousands of them, which suggests your claim that the EDL is a spent force is wrong.

Were you there tickingbird?

How sad! Another truthful post deleted despite being applauded by a number of contributors. I expect this from the BBC and the Guardian, but Gransnet? Come on! Let people express a range of views rather than joining the move toward societal manipulation. This is why more and more people are disinterested in politics and members of parliament, not to mention local councillors are put into power by fewer and fewer people whose views coincide with the new acceptable!

growstuff

Why do you keep trying to make excuses for them?

I’ve only just seen your disgusting comment aimed at me. I shouldn’t really respond to you as you’re really scraping the barrel now.

I know your modus operandi well.

Please show any post where I’ve made any excuse for the riots last night. You won’t because you can’t.

growstuff
I didn't claim they weren't peaceful. My point was that there were thousands of them, which suggests your claim that the EDL is a spent force is wrong.

Were you there tickingbird?

It wasn’t an EDL march.

Must try harder gs.

‘Tobias Ellwood accuses Farage of ‘deliberately inflaming tensions’ in Southport

Former MP Tobias Ellwood has piled in on Nigel Farage, accusing him of “deliberately inflaming tensions”.

On Tuesday afternoon, before the riots began in Southport, the Reform UK leader posted a video to social media responding to the attack, questioning why the incident was not being treated as terror-related and asking whether the “truth is being withheld from us”.

He also asked whether the suspect, who is 17 and has not been identified, was being monitored by the security services. In a statement the same day, Merseyside Police had stressed the “incident is not currently being treated as terror-related”.

Responding to the MP for Clacton’s video, Mr Ellwood said: “I lost my brother to terrorism. To ramp up hatred online by claiming the Southport attack was terrorist related (culminating in riots, a mosque damaged and 27 police injured) is not just reprehensible but needs addressing. Otherwise it will happen again.

“Disgusted how a sitting MP deliberately [inflames] tensions without any justification. Farage should delete this tweet.”

But Mr Farage said “it’s perfectly reasonable to ask what is happening to law and order”.
From the Independent.

tickingbird

growstuff
I didn't claim they weren't peaceful. My point was that there were thousands of them, which suggests your claim that the EDL is a spent force is wrong.

Were you there tickingbird?

It wasn’t an EDL march.

Must try harder gs.

I wasn't there (I don't have much in common) - it seems you know much more than I do.

Rondoallaturc

How sad! Another truthful post deleted despite being applauded by a number of contributors. I expect this from the BBC and the Guardian, but Gransnet? Come on! Let people express a range of views rather than joining the move toward societal manipulation. This is why more and more people are disinterested in politics and members of parliament, not to mention local councillors are put into power by fewer and fewer people whose views coincide with the new acceptable!

So what was the truth at the Southport riots? What does it have to do with fewer people voting? It was just after a vigil for three murdered girls and attacked a mosque and the police. What did they do to deserve that?

Rondoallaturc

How sad! Another truthful post deleted despite being applauded by a number of contributors. I expect this from the BBC and the Guardian, but Gransnet? Come on! Let people express a range of views rather than joining the move toward societal manipulation. This is why more and more people are disinterested in politics and members of parliament, not to mention local councillors are put into power by fewer and fewer people whose views coincide with the new acceptable!

It’s not ‘sad’. I didn’t report the comment but it’s clear it breached guidelines if it was deleted.
No one is stifling legitimate debate. Disagreements welcome, racist, offensive, inflammatory comments not.
As MayBee reports, Tobias Ellwood rightly criticises Farage for inflammatory, ill informed comments

I think thou dost protest too much

Were you there tickingbird?

I dare say a few of these names were there or happy for family/friends to be there.

Ellwood, former Conservative MP and soldier knows what he's talking about. Respect. And there was respect in the HoC following the murders. Quiet respect for the dead and families.

That's how we should expect MP's to conduct themselves in the immediate hours and day following and incident like this.

I saw Tobias Ellwood and Nigel Farage on TV tonight and they discussed this calmly and in no way was it like some on here are quoting.

NF suggested that if the public had been told more about the perpetrator the riots would not have gone ahead and TE agreed with him. They both blamed social media where so much false stuff was said for making people surmise things.

tickingbird

Iam64
Your mayor? Who’s talking about your mayor? I’ve lost count of the times Labour MP’s rush to appease their core voters and please don’t feign ignorance of whom I refer. I’m not looking to argue.

Growstuff the EDL has been in decline for years and is no longer anything to do with Tommy Robinson (i have no idea if he fronts another group)I don’t even know if the BNP exist anymore.Thugs are thugs regardless of their ethnicity and as for far right don’t make me laugh. Do you seriously believe those hooligans causing trouble last night have a clue about politics? No different to labelling the Leeds rioters as far left.

Interesting that the police, quite rightly in my opinion, used batons and riot shields last night, but took the softly softly approach in Leeds. Some would say that’s two tier policing.

tickingbird my son said exactly the same as you say in your last paragraph.

Primrose53

I saw Tobias Ellwood and Nigel Farage on TV tonight and they discussed this calmly and in no way was it like some on here are quoting.

NF suggested that if the public had been told more about the perpetrator the riots would not have gone ahead and TE agreed with him. They both blamed social media where so much false stuff was said for making people surmise things.

So if they’d told people straight away that the killers parents were from Rwanda that would have diffused any tension?

How truely awful we have become. Those poor little children and families. And here we are discussing skin colour.

The answer to that is I don't know. I know that as a centrist lefty who I am fairly sure is not against immigration what with being the daughter of an immigrant, I thought the coverage by the BBC was entirely predictable, and was playing a game. I didnt trust it gir a moment, but that might be to do with my distrust of the BBC in general.

I think it is incomprehensible for some people that an individual born in the UK could plan and carry out the most horrific attacks and murders of innocent little girls in Southport.

It is easier to think that the offender was not one of us

The colour of his skin is and his place of birth should be irrelevant, why and how he committed such a heinous act is.

Apologies for dreadful grammar 🤦‍♀️

NF should have questioned the doubtful source by checking the X account, which took very little time to do, before posting at all. He knows the world of social media all too well.

I checked the X tweet channel as soon as it emerged and it was full of Islamaphobia and racist memes from UK and USA.

Secondly, check what the police were saying, given the appalling murders, and consider the possible effect for the families and their community.

No.

He assumed "muslim migrant" was correct and knew d well how inflammatory his rhetoric was

growstuff

Why does the public need to know?

We have every right to know who we are dealing with

GrannyGravy13

I think it is incomprehensible for some people that an individual born in the UK could plan and carry out the most horrific attacks and murders of innocent little girls in Southport.

It is easier to think that the offender was not one of us

The colour of his skin is and his place of birth should be irrelevant, why and how he committed such a heinous act is.

Yes, I agree.

Unfortunately - as people have agendas and put out false news it's necessary to counter the false news. After that, police have to conduct due process before revealing further information.

Remember the woman whose car ran into the school? It took some considerable time to establish that she had had some kind seizure at the wheel.

Sometimes the information can be related very quickly.......sometimes the information if released endangers family members close to the attacker and measures have to be taken first....

growstuff

The more I think about this incident, the more I think it doesn't have much to do with the identity of the murderer. The EDL attacked a mosque because they knew the police would turn up and they then had an opportunity to attack the police - all directed by Tommy Robinson from Spain.

How on earth do you know that????

Breaking news - Sky news

"Southport latest: Protesters penned in around war memorial as flares thrown at Downing Street gates after riot.

As the situation in Southport remains tense after violence last night, police are dealing with another protest outside Downing Street

It follows false reports that the suspect in Monday's knife attack was an asylum seeker

news.sky.com/story/southport-stabbing-latest-number-of-casualties-after-reports-of-stabbing-13186819

Important information in the video in this report.