Riots in Southport

tickingbird There has been a resurgence in the EDL since Elon Musk restored its X (Twitter) account. There were at least 30,000 people at the meeting in London on Saturday.

The hooligans in Southport were followers of Tommy Robinson and anti-Islam. I have absolutely no doubt about it.

Why do you keep trying to make excuses for them?

What they did was disgusting and was encouraged by Robinson, who was on TikTok for hours instigating it. The police were the real target because, according to him, they always victimises him and lets Muslim off leniently. Having watched some of his recordings, it looked as though he was about to blow a gasket.

tickingbird

Iam64
Your mayor? Who’s talking about your mayor? I’ve lost count of the times Labour MP’s rush to appease their core voters and please don’t feign ignorance of whom I refer. I’m not looking to argue.

Growstuff the EDL has been in decline for years and is no longer anything to do with Tommy Robinson (i have no idea if he fronts another group)I don’t even know if the BNP exist anymore.Thugs are thugs regardless of their ethnicity and as for far right don’t make me laugh. Do you seriously believe those hooligans causing trouble last night have a clue about politics? No different to labelling the Leeds rioters as far left.

Interesting that the police, quite rightly in my opinion, used batons and riot shields last night, but took the softly softly approach in Leeds. Some would say that’s two tier policing.

This was pre-planned thuggery by drunken louts on a day trip, not an extreme and inappropriate reaction by angry people.

You cannot pretend that the EDL is far right tickingbird.

‘Who are the English Defence League (EDL)? Founded in 2009, the EDL is a far-right, Islamophobic pressure group. Its members will often mobilise for street demonstrations against immigration and multi-culturalism, and sometimes mount counter-action to protests with progressive aims.’

‘Despite a decline over the past decade, EDL members are known to mobilise after certain events to express anti-Islam views, such as the attack in Southport. Members are thought to have also spread to other far-right groups such as National Action and Patriotic Alternative, which also organise protests.’

From the Independent.

Not far right!

I’m not pretending the EDL aren’t far right. I said they’re in decline and have no real following.

What I am sick to the back teeth if is everyone who mentions mass immigration and concerns re lack of integration is labelled far right and it’s a slur and used to shut down discussion.

The hooligans last night aren’t open to discussion.

growstuff

This was pre-planned thuggery by drunken louts on a day trip, not an extreme and inappropriate reaction by angry people.

Mobbing a police station and demanding the release of two violent thugs for absolutely no reason other than a power play is not just an angry reaction. More than inappropriate in the eyes of the majority of right minded people.

Willowy

^I hope the EDL will become a proscribed group. (ie on the M6 watch list, if they aren't already).*

Frightening naïveté. Don’t you think the security services are run ragged as it is? They’re foiling terror atttacks weekly that we don’t even get to hear about.

tickingbird News reports (mainstream media) said that Tommy Robinson was encouraging the riots and trying to organise them, even though he is in France at the moment having failed to turn up in court on Monday.

tickingbird

I’m not pretending the EDL aren’t far right. I said they’re in decline and have no real following.

What I am sick to the back teeth if is everyone who mentions mass immigration and concerns re lack of integration is labelled far right and it’s a slur and used to shut down discussion.

The hooligans last night aren’t open to discussion.

So why were thousands of people in London on Saturday?

Rioters looted, burnt vehicles and hurled deadly missiles at police in Southport for hours last night after misinformation was spread online about the identity of the suspect arrested over the stabbing at a children's dance class that killed three little girls.

A major incident was declared after hundreds took to the streets leaving more than 50 officers injured including police dogs. Many were hurt by flying bricks with dozens of officers having to be led away from rioters to get treatment. One male officer appeared to have a head injury as he was driven for hospital treatment. A police riot van, mosque fencing, a pink car and a minimarket was looted during the violence, which has been met with widespread condemnation from locals.

As yet only 4 of the rioters have been arrested!

Surely there is ample video and photo evidence to arrest most of them, if not all?

I recommend posters listen to the latest News Agents podcast which examines the issue of the Southport protest. It’s enlightening - sheds light on how malign groups use misinformation to incite violence and division in society!

What a sad world we’re living in!

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Sorry Kadinsky I genuinely don’t understand what you mean

They are setting us up against one another
This is what anarchy is 😭

EDL and the likes of them have a massive following of disenfranchised white men

Sorry Kadinsky I genuinely don’t understand what you mean

Well…..when black people riot here in the UK ( & they have on many an occasion )
what do you think of them?
What names would you call them?

Just curious.

growstuff

tickingbird

I’m not pretending the EDL aren’t far right. I said they’re in decline and have no real following.

What I am sick to the back teeth if is everyone who mentions mass immigration and concerns re lack of integration is labelled far right and it’s a slur and used to shut down discussion.

The hooligans last night aren’t open to discussion.

So why were thousands of people in London on Saturday?

I think you’re burying your head in the sand tickingbird. It wasn’t a day trip, it was an organised event. The EDF communicates to its members, and they turn up from all over the country to join in. It may have declined in the 2010s, but there’s a definite resurgence.

Or is their rioting justified?

I should have really said who feel they are disenfranchised, rather than are. It depends on your pov
Mine is, as a white, working class younger woman on here, they certainly feel they are at a disadvantage 🤷‍♀️ (Not my own family) I suspect media, social media and austerity is also complicit in this

Kandinsky

How many black people have rioted over the years if something happens they don’t like?

Many. Since when do two wrongs make a right?

Maybe you prefer to sink to the lowest level.

No you apply the same morality to both. So rioting against social workers doing their job is wrong and rioting outside mosques for racist reasons is wrong.
Its not sinking to any level, it's trying to talk about this. Or you (general you) could just call people stupid and see how well that pans out.

Kandinsky

Or is their rioting justified?

Rioting during and immediately after a vigil which is the most awful tragedy for those families, injuring people, causing damage to properties, and taking away from the sadness of the occasion is never justified, surely?

growstuff

So why were thousands of people in London on Saturday?

I believe they were peacefully marching as they had a right to do. There was nothing wrong with that march and I was heartened to hear a left wing journalist talk about this a couple of nights ago.

He attended and said it was not far right; it was ordinary people of all ages and even mentioned a Muslim couple who he walked behind. People are fed up over all sorts of issues and they are sick of not being heard.

Doubtless you don’t believe they had any right to so.

I don't know who the people, men mostly, rioting in the streets were, but to me they seem exactly the same as all the 'football supporters' who enjoyed creating chaos at the time of football matches, here and abroad. Simply an excuse to fight battles, preferably against authority; the cause is irrelevant.

eazybee

I don't know who the people, men mostly, rioting in the streets were, but to me they seem exactly the same as all the 'football supporters' who enjoyed creating chaos at the time of football matches, here and abroad. Simply an excuse to fight battles, preferably against authority; the cause is irrelevant.

That’s who they are. It’s all the same and all organised