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Boxer forces female competitor to quit at the Olympic games [Title edited by GNHQ at poster's request]

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Smileless2012 Thu 01-Aug-24 12:55:22

I know there's a thread in Sport about the games but think this deserves it's own thread.

Algerian TW boxer Imane Khelif landed a huge right hand on the Italian female competitor, forcing her to quit after just 46 seconds into the bout.

BlueBelle Sat 10-Aug-24 09:35:57

Cossy she has lost to 9 other women and one was an Irish boxer
You can’t actually call someone a cheat if they are there fair and square I started out thinking like you Avaline but the more
I ve read and the more I ve looked into it the more I m moving towards feeling sorry for her
The Italian boxer choose not to fight her she didn’t have to pull out no one else has I watched her in one match but didn’t rate her that much it wasn’t as slick or as one sided a match as I expected it to be
It was against a Hungarian girl
I m still not sure but seeing as she is getting such a mixed reception a lot of hate and nastiness it can’t be doing her spirit any good

Galaxy Sat 10-Aug-24 09:41:14

A number of men have lost to women when transwomen were more widely allowed into female sports (I know this person is not trans I am using the example of males in female sport) You dont ignore categories because someone loses sometimes.

David49 Sat 10-Aug-24 09:51:58

ExDancer

I heard an interesting theory yesterday, that the whole thing was a malicious rumour started by the female Italian boxer - that the Algerian had in fact been born female with undefined genitals, and had been raised, mistakenly, as a boy.

I’m sure babies with non typical genitals are recorded wrongly especially in developing countries like Morroco there is no alternative.

In cattle there is a well known variation called a “Freemartin” which is a female calf born as twin to a male, the male hormones are dominant, the calf is female externally but has no reproductive system and develops as a male.

Common in cattle, rare in other mammals, it has been recorded in most species. In most cases it goes unnoticed, dismissed as a non breeding female with no further investigation.

David49 Sat 10-Aug-24 09:52:34

Algeria of course.

RosiesMaw2 Sat 10-Aug-24 10:02:19

Why do you feel the need to make that comment?

Aveline Sat 10-Aug-24 10:04:51

I'm very sorry someone is 'suffering a bit' but I'm sorrier still for all the girls and young women who have worked so hard to get where they are only to lose to biological men. No point in womens sport at all if this sort of thing is allowed to persist.

Yoginimeisje Sat 10-Aug-24 10:20:34

VioletSky

Shouldn't this thread be taken down? It is misleading repeatedly calling a biological woman a man...

He is a biological MAN

Yoginimeisje Sat 10-Aug-24 10:21:31

Aveline

Well the cheat has won a gold medal. IOC should hang their heads in shame at their total failure of governance.

Agree!

Yoginimeisje Sat 10-Aug-24 10:26:26

BlueBelle He lost 9 in 90 fights!

Listen to his low male voice when he says how happy he is to win Gold against the ladies he fought.

Yoginimeisje Sat 10-Aug-24 10:27:04

I shared a video of him rearranging his bits in a fight!!

Yoginimeisje Sat 10-Aug-24 10:28:33

Aveline

I'm very sorry someone is 'suffering a bit' but I'm sorrier still for all the girls and young women who have worked so hard to get where they are only to lose to biological men. No point in womens sport at all if this sort of thing is allowed to persist.

Agree, quite right.

Aveline Sat 10-Aug-24 10:32:27

Banksy sums it up

GrannyGravy13 Sat 10-Aug-24 11:29:12

Banksy 👏👏👏

VioletSky Sat 10-Aug-24 11:38:41

She is a woman

You are basing this off her outward appearance because she appears more masculine and watching fake videos online

This puts all women with masculine appearing features or dress sense in danger

AGAA4 Sat 10-Aug-24 11:47:11

I have been reading more about this and there are people who are born with a vagina but no womb or ovaries. They can have XY chromosomes and produce more testosterone than a woman and also have bigger muscles.
This makes it extremely difficult to say whether they are a man or woman as having a vagina would have ensured being a female on their birth certificate.
I think until this is investigated properly they shouldn't be able to compete as women.

Smileless2012 Sat 10-Aug-24 12:14:50

I think until this is investigated properly they shouldn't be able to compete as women I agree AGA.

Aveline Sat 10-Aug-24 12:23:45

XX ✔️ XY❌ in womens sport.

VioletSky Sat 10-Aug-24 12:42:36

If this doesn't show people that biological sex is actually rather complicated and that with the 21 differences in 17 genes of trans people already found... We need far more research into gender dysphoria and the biological reasons it could be happening... I don't know what will

But the fact remains that calling someone who was assigned female at birth and has always lived as a woman, a man is not ok.

Aveline Sat 10-Aug-24 13:31:32

Tough. Just as it's tough on the myriad of biological females trying to get on in female sport.

Jackiest Sat 10-Aug-24 14:21:21

Aveline

XX ✔️ XY❌ in womens sport.

It is not that simple there are women who are XY and there are men who are XX. Not many but there are some.

Aveline Sat 10-Aug-24 14:23:50

Vanishingly rare. Still desperately unfair to the colossal number of biological women who enormously outnumber them and are disadvantaged by them. Why should their 'rights' matter more than those of us biological women?

NanKate Sat 10-Aug-24 15:30:00

I totally agree with you Aveline.

Women’s sport is doomed if this situation is allowed to continue.

Aveline Sat 10-Aug-24 15:38:48

Even the rarest DSDs are male or female.

Yoginimeisje Sun 11-Aug-24 07:53:06

I agree too Aveline

Yoginimeisje Sun 11-Aug-24 07:59:28

Vas deferens what does this mean?