Boxer forces female competitor to quit at the Olympic games [Title edited by GNHQ at poster's request]

Yoginimeisje

*Vas deferens* what does this mean?

That is the tube through which the sperm is carried from the testicles to the penis when males ejaculate.

Elegran Oh, thank you

I see that the CO has stepped down and they were saying on yesterday's closing ceremony how unfortunate the boxing controversy was and that the rules had been made just for France and were not good & need to change for the next Olympics. Seeing clips of every sport last night but not of the boxing, speaks volumes!

Interesting

I don’t think boxing is going to be included in the LA Olympics anyway?

I'm sure the female boxers fighting at a great disadvantage will feel this was a lot more than unfortunate Yogin.

Yes that's right MayBee. The IOC has said a suitable new governing body needs to be found; well they got that right at least.

VioletSky

If this doesn't show people that biological sex is actually rather complicated and that with the 21 differences in 17 genes of trans people already found... We need far more research into gender dysphoria and the biological reasons it could be happening... I don't know what will

But the fact remains that calling someone who was assigned female at birth and has always lived as a woman, a man is not ok.

Why does every mention of fairness to women eventually attract a comment on transgender?

Biological sex is immutable, and determined at conception. For virtually 100% of people it is not complicated, the tiny percentage of people born with indeterminate genitalia or other dsds is not reason to throw science out of the window. That a tiny percentage of people are born missing limbs, eyes or indeed organs does not alter the fact that humans are meant to be binocular, bipedal, two armed and with functioning ears.

Boxing insisted on weight limits to the point of an Indian competitor cutting her hair but still being disqualified because she was over weight by a medium sized banana. Sex testing they claim would be horrific. A simple cheek swab more horrific than being publicly weighed and cutting your long hair off?

The fact remains that if someone is mistakenly assigned female at birth but goes through a male puberty, then that person is not qualified to participate in the female class of segregated sports, no matter how they have “lived”

Just read the whole thread Rosie51

Aveline

Just read the whole thread Rosie51

I have and commented??

* commented a few times.

Your final paragraph in your post @ 15.58 sums it up perfectly Rosie.

Unfortunately virtually 100% of people is not good enough when it comes to something like the Olympics where only a few people out of the whole world population are taking part and a sport where size and strength are critical. We need to define exactly what is meant by woman and define a test that is to be used. As we have seen biological sex can be a bit woolly at times.

Look at this again. It explains all the possible variations and all are clearly male or female.

Tests are available Jackiest.

Well yes Smiles they were trying to be diplomatic & putting it in a nut shell, but for the female boxers it must have been devastating, 4 years of hard work down the drain!

I listened to the BBC radio 4 discussion with Sharon Davies and a transwoman activist Charlie Martin. Worth listening to. However Charlie made countless statements which seemed very alien to me. She just seemed unable to see that young women were being disadvantaged.

What did Sharon Davis say?

Sharon Davies was saying that biological facts can’t be changed. She is very knowledgeable and explained that she didn’t want to stop trans people competing in sport but not to the detriment of women. They should have there own category or join open category sports.

I agree NanKate - they should have their own category. I don't know why the trans community are not putting their activism into pushing for this.

Yes I agree too NanKate

Thanks Sparkle and Yogi for your agreement. It seems like common sense to me.

One of my closest friend’s son is now her daughter. He transitioned in his mid 40s. To be honest she does not appear to have been brought the happiness she hoped for. I can’t discuss the subject with my friend as quite rightly she tries to be supportive of her new daughter. The two grandchildren call their parent by her new name not dad. How very difficult for them.

But we aren’t talking about TRANS at all
The Algerian boxer had nothing to do with trans
There seems to be a lot of muddling up on this thread this is about someone who had tetrostrone levels that were unusual nothing todo with Trans
Of course trans should have their own catergory in all sports

This ISNT a trans problem

The boxer under question is to sue various individuals for amongst other things - bullying. Rowling was mentioned.

Yes I do realise that the two boxers were not trans. I feel to be fair to the other boxers they should have taken the test to see if they had an unfair advantage by having a high level of the male chromosome.

I thought some of the posters would be interested to hear the programme on the radio.

Actually I am not sure it's that simple as not to do with trans. People with dsds have been used continually by TRAs as an example of 'you see sex is not binary', its partly why trans activists have fought so hard over this boxer. So no this boxer absolutely isnt trans, but I think the debates around this issue coincide or certainly have been engineered to coincide.

WWM - did JK Rowling enter into the debate regarding this boxer? I don't recall hearing this - did anyone else?