The Riots Have Certainly Pushed Pensioners Off The Agenda

The focus on the grieving families in Southport has been removed by the rioters. No one else has done this, just them.

Starmer is responding to the riots - but it is the rioters themselves, most of whom it would seem are not even from that area - who have used a horrific tragedy as an excuse to riot.

Put the blame where it lies.

For real? You actually believe that anyone in their right mind would use innocent deaths of children and mindless rioting to detract from labour only having been in power for a matter of weeks and trying to clear up after the previous government!

It has been said that the rioters travel from place to place. SM enables people to communicate their plans and it seems as if rent-a-mob just goes along to contribute.

The current government has been in power 4 weeks. It inherited an almighty mess with our nhs, police, CJS and public services on their knees.
But let’s blame the current, not the previous government for this mess.

"It has been said that the rioters travel from place to place"

Well they can't have meaningful employment then. Yet have got money to travel.... Hmmm. Cash in hand "rent a mob"?

I didn't vote Labour even though I was brought up in a full on labour (Irish) family. I used to vote conservative but voted liberal for the first time. Only because I didn't like what Sunack stood for. But omg Labour have upset so many already..I'm not happy about losing my winter fuel. But I really don't want it to be used to provide homes for illegals I was married to a north African for 16 years he came he legally on a work permit and worked and paid never took handouts. Labour has failed already giving in to strikes.. I have less trust in Starmer now than I had in Sumack!

Labour didn’t give in to strikes. They negotiated with health workers that the Conservatives weren’t negotiating with. What happened to all the adoration for our health workers during covid. Why do you assume the WFP is going to pay for homes for ‘illegals’. We need more housing and social housing for everyone. Maybe Truss’s budget has got something to do with it. Can someone remind me how much that cost the country?? Do people have such short memories. Not only that but Labour are going to have to pay compensation to the post masters and people that were given infected blood; both cans that the Conservatives kicked down the road realising that they were going to lose the election.

Great!
Yvette Cooper is creating more prison spaces for the rioters. Is that by releasing even more prisoners early or has she actually found spaces?

Is it Labour’s fault that the Conservatives have let our prisons get into the state they are now in? Is that something else that they have miraculously achieved over the past few weeks?

OnwardandUpward

Yes the NF supporters are VERY QUIET and not commenting on this for some reason.

I voted Reform & commented on the thugs on a different thread. I take great offence at being called far right- this thread is about the pensioners is it not? Not getting the WFA?

MayBee70

Labour didn’t give in to strikes. They negotiated with health workers that the Conservatives weren’t negotiating with. What happened to all the adoration for our health workers during covid. Why do you assume the WFP is going to pay for homes for ‘illegals’. We need more housing and social housing for everyone. Maybe Truss’s budget has got something to do with it. Can someone remind me how much that cost the country?? Do people have such short memories. Not only that but Labour are going to have to pay compensation to the post masters and people that were given infected blood; both cans that the Conservatives kicked down the road realising that they were going to lose the election.

It's a success story for Labour that they tackled and resolved the Junior doctors issue, should be celebrated.

There are so many things we need the WFP money for - just in relationship to us older people!

@Mt61 NF stands for Nigel Farage. and yes his supporters have been quiet.

I did not mention "Far Right", once. I think it's you putting the two together, not me. Feel free to continue talking about the WFA or whatever you like! No need to take offence where there is none.

Iam64

The current government has been in power 4 weeks. It inherited an almighty mess with our nhs, police, CJS and public services on their knees.
But let’s blame the current, not the previous government for this mess.

Yes, considering we've had austerity, cuts and more cuts to public services, privatisation here there and everywhere, the NHS virtually on its knees, cuts to police numbers, by a government wedded to small-state...

.. of course, it makes sense to blame the new government who've only been in power for a month for the current problems.

Strewth!

Dickens don’t agree - police numbers are about 150k but given the rise in population, it’s not kept to the same ratio as in 2010.
What can you mean by a government wedded to a small state? The number of civil servants is at an all time high. I don’t think there’s any chance of a small state Uk .
Also in what sense is blame attached? No Keir Starmer is not being blamed for the riots but maybe he hasn’t quite got the knack of how to deal with them? As you say he is the new boy on the block and has much to learn.

So, how do you think he should have dealt with them? Imo someone that has spent most of his professional life dealing with criminality and working closely with the police is the perfect person to be dealing with the current situation. Who do you think would have done a better job?

Bet you wish you hadn't posted Mae.

MayBee70 it is not helping to brand rioters far right. Government needs to understand why this is happening and also why demos are being staged all over the country. It’s very contagious.
I am worried for serving police officers too.
I don’t know if the government has special laws to prevent demonstrations taking place? Unlawful assembly with the intent of causing damage to people and property needs to stop now. Bring in the army? Stop the rhetoric.

So the government need to liaise with the rioters to understand why they’re rioting but at the same time bring in the army?

Yes MayBee70 I don’t think liaison is the right word here. Understand what is causing tension- isn’t this the role of government? Who is in charge?
Since riots seem to be spreading very quickly all over the Uk, something must be done to protect the public, police and property. The army must be put on standby. This is the role of government.

The first stage is to punish the people involved and send out a message that this behaviour destroys the communities which the rioters claim to be defending and for all the many people who haven't been involved.

I don't really know what the army would be expected to do that police aren't doing.

Then, I agree, there needs to be some action on understanding why people are angry and have been so easily incited and to take action.

ronib Some of the rioters are far right and include known neo-Nazis from the former National Action and Turning Point UK.

growstuff I don’t know if there are sufficient police officers to protect the people today. There’s a real rash of mischief planned.

ronib

Dickens don’t agree - police numbers are about 150k but given the rise in population, it’s not kept to the same ratio as in 2010.
What can you mean by a government wedded to a small state? The number of civil servants is at an all time high. I don’t think there’s any chance of a small state Uk .
Also in what sense is blame attached? No Keir Starmer is not being blamed for the riots but maybe he hasn’t quite got the knack of how to deal with them? As you say he is the new boy on the block and has much to learn.

The increase in the number of civil servants is a direct result of Brexit and taking back responsibilities from Brussels.

growstuff

ronib Some of the rioters are far right and include known neo-Nazis from the former National Action and Turning Point UK.

growstuff don’t give the far right any publicity? The far right is in normal times allowed to demonstrate in a peaceful way. I shall google…..

National Action has been banned in the Uk?