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Hezbollah Exploding Pagers!

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GrannyGravy13 Wed 18-Sept-24 08:36:12

9 dead (so far) up to 3,000 Hezbollah operatives injured across Lebanon and Syria.

Apparently the pagers were manufactured in TaiWan and packed with explosives. The Taiwanese producers are vehemently denying this.

Israeli Government is being rather quiet, no statement so far. Hezbollah have said that there will be serious repercussions

It is like a plot from a Johnny English film…

GrannyGravy13 Thu 19-Sept-24 12:48:45

Delila

Galaxy

As I said that 'empathy' will get us all killed.

Escalating war and terrorism will get us all killed in the end.

What do you suggest?

Shall Israel and the rest of The World stand by and let Hezbollah, Hamas, The Houthis and every other terrorist organisation carry on their bombing, killing, torturing, raping ways?

Because if they/we do it will be the terrorists running the world, look what has happened in Afghanistan and Iran.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Thu 19-Sept-24 12:54:44

Latest:

For a second day in a row, Lebanon was rocked by a large series of explosions as Israel detonated small bombs hidden in another set of retro communications devices used by Hezbollah – this time, the attacks targeted handheld radios, killing at least 20 and injuring 450 others.

Tuesday’s mass bombing, which targeted pagers, has now claimed the lives of 12 people (including two children) and injured almost 3,000. According to new reporting by Axios (citing three U.S. officials), Israel’s Mossad intelligence agency pulled the trigger on its pager plot in fear that the bombs were on the verge of being discovered by Hezbollah. The walkie-talkie plot leveraged larger explosives than the pager bombings. Some explosions were big enough to cause fires, lighting blazes in 71 homes and setting 18 cars and motorcycles aflame. According to the New York Times, the affected walkie-talkies were made by a Japanese company named Icom.

In less-explosive news, the U.N. General Assembly voted in favor of a nonbinding resolution yesterday that demands Israel end its “unlawful presence” in Gaza and the occupied West Bank. The measure passed 124-14, with 43 countries abstaining. The U.S., was one of the 14.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Thu 19-Sept-24 12:58:44

I totally agree with your viewpoint Rekarie.

Gillycats Thu 19-Sept-24 13:19:37

It’s truly awful that some innocents are being slaughtered. But frankly I have no sympathy with any terrorists. They deserve to die for what they do, the sooner the better.

merlotgran Thu 19-Sept-24 13:28:04

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I totally agree with your viewpoint Rekarie.

So do I.

Grantanow Thu 19-Sept-24 13:39:27

Although there have been some civilian deaths (which Hezbollah are quick to publicise) almost all of those attacked by pager and walkie talkie explosions were supporters or terrorists with whom I have no sympathy given the massacre last October.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 19-Sept-24 13:40:08

Grantanow 👍

petra Thu 19-Sept-24 13:47:24

LaCrepescule

Petra, Netanyahu doesn’t want to talk. He’s an evil despot with not an ounce of compassion. And if you have to use the word heathen (who are you to decide which God is the right one,) at least spell it correctly.
paddyann54, agree entirely with your considered and factual post. I read the same thing about Balfour yesterday.

If Netanyahu doesn’t want to talk how did Israel negotiate the release of 112 prisoners 🤷‍♀️

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Thu 19-Sept-24 13:59:31

Well said Granantow.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Thu 19-Sept-24 14:00:28

Apologies - Grantanow. 😊

David49 Thu 19-Sept-24 14:20:02

Delila

Galaxy

As I said that 'empathy' will get us all killed.

Escalating war and terrorism will get us all killed in the end.

No, the winners will be those with the most bombs and bullets, terrorism will only succeed where the population don’t fight back and protect themselves.

ronib Thu 19-Sept-24 14:45:08

Terrorism will continue to spread until there is a just settlement surely? But not in our lifetime?

David49 Thu 19-Sept-24 15:08:04

ronib

Terrorism will continue to spread until there is a just settlement surely? But not in our lifetime?

There is no such thing as a “just” settlement only one that is respected by the majority, minorities will always have grievances.

Aveline Thu 19-Sept-24 15:09:27

You can't wash blood away with blood. When will they learn that?

M0nica Thu 19-Sept-24 20:19:47

Both sides in this conflict have democratically elected governments. The inhabotants of Gaza voted for Hamas. israeli's for Netanyahu and other right wing parties. Obviously there were people who disagreed with their respective governments.

But you cannot talk of 'innocent' civilians on either side while they continue to vote for political groups who act in ways that feed and practice violence.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Thu 19-Sept-24 21:37:58

Last night, Israel’s defence minister, Yoav Gallant, announced the opening of “a new phase in the war” and hinted that resources and forces would be diverted from Gaza towards a new “centre of gravity” in the north.

Lebanon, scarred by decades of turbulence and whose people love and loathe Hezbollah with equal intensity, is bracing itself for the worst.

David49 Fri 20-Sept-24 07:03:38

M0nica

Both sides in this conflict have democratically elected governments. The inhabotants of Gaza voted for Hamas. israeli's for Netanyahu and other right wing parties. Obviously there were people who disagreed with their respective governments.

But you cannot talk of 'innocent' civilians on either side while they continue to vote for political groups who act in ways that feed and practice violence.

Come on Monica that’s a gross distortion

Hamas did win one election promising a better Gaza, then set about murdering the opposition, Gaza is now a dictatorship, nobody dare speak out against Hamas.

Maybe you can explain how Hamas has benefited Palestinians.

M0nica Fri 20-Sept-24 07:48:13

Hamas hasn't benefitted Palestinians. I never said it did. Yes, Hamas is now a dictatorship, but I have seen no evidence that were there another free election the results would be any different.

I do not favour either side, nor do I consider either side more sinned against than sinning. If they wanted a solution, they could sit down and negotiate and could have done that decades ago, but both sides are equally intransigent and equally determined to be top dog and do not care a toss how many people on the other side, - and their own die in the process..

As I say frequently ' A plague on both their houses'

ronib Fri 20-Sept-24 07:54:35

If someone said that they wanted to annihilate you Monica what might be a possible strategy for negotiation?

David49 Fri 20-Sept-24 09:38:20

M0nica

Hamas hasn't benefitted Palestinians. I never said it did. Yes, Hamas is now a dictatorship, but I have seen no evidence that were there another free election the results would be any different.

I do not favour either side, nor do I consider either side more sinned against than sinning. If they wanted a solution, they could sit down and negotiate and could have done that decades ago, but both sides are equally intransigent and equally determined to be top dog and do not care a toss how many people on the other side, - and their own die in the process..

As I say frequently ' A plague on both their houses'

There will be no free elections until Hamas leave Gaza, if they are allowed to win the whole of the Middle East will become Islamic States in the style of Iran.

This war is not about Gaza it’s about extremism if Hamas win neighbouring states will fall one by one.

Delila Fri 20-Sept-24 10:37:41

David49

Delila

Galaxy

As I said that 'empathy' will get us all killed.

Escalating war and terrorism will get us all killed in the end.

No, the winners will be those with the most bombs and bullets, terrorism will only succeed where the population don’t fight back and protect themselves.

There will be no winners.

Wyllow3 Fri 20-Sept-24 10:47:14

A problem with applauding this new tactic - personal exploding devices - it that (given some time) could be used by terrorists to target general populations - as retaliatory.

Jackiest Fri 20-Sept-24 11:02:34

Terrorism breeds terrorism. The Hamas and Hezbollah have used terrorism and this is Israel using terrorism. The Israel Arab problem will never be solved by killing people. Their escalation of terrorism puts us all in more danger. We need to speak out against terrorism no matter which side is using it.

Elegran Fri 20-Sept-24 12:03:53

ronib

If someone said that they wanted to annihilate you Monica what might be a possible strategy for negotiation?

Both sides in the Israel/Palestine conflict want to to eliminate the other. That sounds like a basis for equal negotiation.

Oreo Fri 20-Sept-24 12:15:33

I can’t let that pass Elegran as it may be the position now but wasn’t before the massacre of Jews last October by hamas.Israel was keeping an eye on the situation in Gaza but let them be and certainly didn’t want to eliminate them all.
It isn’t equal now, as Israel have the upper hand there.