The US Election.

What’s happened in the US could happen here. I’m relieved we have a Labour government but I’m in little doubt that the first past the post system combined with the absolute destruction on all our public services over 24 years made that possible
I loathe Farage and his Reform party but they do have support from people who feel marginalised and ignored. Let’s hope the disaster in America makes our politicians Think On

Iam64

What’s happened in the US could happen here. I’m relieved we have a Labour government but I’m in little doubt that the first past the post system combined with the absolute destruction on all our public services over 24 years made that possible
I loathe Farage and his Reform party but they do have support from people who feel marginalised and ignored. Let’s hope the disaster in America makes our politicians Think On

They won't though. In thrall to the globalists,WEF and WHO. What the little Btitish man, include myself in that,thinks, does not matter one iota to the Labour Party.

Casdon

I don’t think the situation with tariffs would have been different whatever UK government was in power Fleurpepper, because it’s about the USA becoming more prosperous. Of course it’s a loss to our economy, as no doubt it will be worldwide, as they look internally for growth.

We already have Brexit, US tariffs will work out as well. Trump wants their economy to flourish and he has a decidedly inward view, in all ways it seems.

Freya, my post was about all our politicians, not only the government.

I agree Norah, we are just going to have to live with it, we can’t change another country’s economic policy.

Iam64

What’s happened in the US could happen here. I’m relieved we have a Labour government but I’m in little doubt that the first past the post system combined with the absolute destruction on all our public services over 24 years made that possible
I loathe Farage and his Reform party but they do have support from people who feel marginalised and ignored. Let’s hope the disaster in America makes our politicians Think On

We have a Labour government with a good majority due to the first past the post system.

It can’t be said too many times Iam64 as quite a few posters on this site are continually saying FPTP isn’t ‘democratic’.

Galaxy

Rory Stewart is a perfect example of why trump won. Utterly out of touch, so convinced of his own goodness and will never understand.

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Casdon

I agree Norah, we are just going to have to live with it, we can’t change another country’s economic policy.

Indeed.

Today alone their makers shot higher. Tesla alone was up 15%. It would appear they have already priced-in the win and are ready to price in the accompanying inflation as well. I read interest will also soar.

Norah

Casdon

I don’t think the situation with tariffs would have been different whatever UK government was in power Fleurpepper, because it’s about the USA becoming more prosperous. Of course it’s a loss to our economy, as no doubt it will be worldwide, as they look internally for growth.

We already have Brexit, US tariffs will work out as well. Trump wants their economy to flourish and he has a decidedly inward view, in all ways it seems.

Sorry, I do not understand your post. What do you mean by
'US tariffs will work out as well'?

We were promised the best trade deal ever with the USA, during the Brexit campaign, which would more than compensate for the extra cost and difficulties of exports and imports to and from (geographically very close Europe). But this has not happened, and both are now combining to put prices in the UK even further up. At a time when the war in Ukraine and bad weather in Spain and other countries we import from have caused massive loss in production of fruit, veg, cereals and other essentials foods.

Oreo

Galaxy

Rory Stewart is a perfect example of why trump won. Utterly out of touch, so convinced of his own goodness and will never understand.

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

If Rory had followed me he’d have his winnings in the bank, as I have. 😂
As mentioned, completely out of touch.

I think you’re making a different point Fleurpepper? A new administration in the US or the Uk is not honour bound to protect a trade deal struck by another government, they set their own policy. I agree regarding the impact of Brexit, but that’s nothing to do with what Trump chooses to do now in his dealing with the UK or Europe?

Fleurpepper

Norah

Casdon

I don’t think the situation with tariffs would have been different whatever UK government was in power Fleurpepper, because it’s about the USA becoming more prosperous. Of course it’s a loss to our economy, as no doubt it will be worldwide, as they look internally for growth.

We already have Brexit, US tariffs will work out as well. Trump wants their economy to flourish and he has a decidedly inward view, in all ways it seems.

Sorry, I do not understand your post. What do you mean by
'US tariffs will work out as well'?

We were promised the best trade deal ever with the USA, during the Brexit campaign, which would more than compensate for the extra cost and difficulties of exports and imports to and from (geographically very close Europe). But this has not happened, and both are now combining to put prices in the UK even further up. At a time when the war in Ukraine and bad weather in Spain and other countries we import from have caused massive loss in production of fruit, veg, cereals and other essentials foods.

I mean that their tariffs will be fine for us. We may find USA goods prices to go further up - prices aren't static. We'll be fine.

Certainly we don't believe their economy to be in tandem with theirs or the EU? That ship sailed - if it ever existed.

They have their own quite high deficit and problems to solve.

Tonight, my son and daughter-in-law had to take my 10 y/o granddaughter to eat after gymnastics to discuss something that upset her at school about the election outcome. When, how, and why does a 10 y/o have such a traumatic response to an election??

Norah
“I mean that their tariffs will be fine for us. We may find USA goods prices to go further up - prices aren't static. We'll be fine.”

Are you an Economist? Would you care to share your expert knowledge?

why does a 10 y/o have problems with an election result? I think the education system is indoctrinating the children. when I was 10 years old, I was learning math and reading, geography, etc.

Why does my 10 year old granddaughter have a problem with the election results and why does my 6 year old have a problem when I called her mean.

PeggyT

why does a 10 y/o have problems with an election result? I think the education system is indoctrinating the children. when I was 10 years old, I was learning math and reading, geography, etc.

Why does my 10 year old granddaughter have a problem with the election results and why does my 6 year old have a problem when I called her mean.

If that is true someone, a parent or a reacher has indoctrinated the child, it’s really easy to do with a child, a student or impressionable adult. It certainly shouldn’t be any part of schooling.a 10yr old

I remember an incident from my school days, it was election time, probably Macmillans time, our English teacher was a well known Labour supporter, we were pretty aware of politics, one of my classmates had a poster of the local Tory candidate pinned to the underside of his desk top.
The teacher went ballistic, really angry, a pop star or pinup would have been OK not a Tory politician

Happy days!

Words of wisdom from Bernie Sanders and plain common sense "it should be no surprise that a party who have abandoned the working classes, find that the working classes have abandoned them"

J52

Norah
“I mean that their tariffs will be fine for us. We may find USA goods prices to go further up - prices aren't static. We'll be fine.”

Are you an Economist? Would you care to share your expert knowledge?

I'm completely failing to understand Norah's point, even though I think I have a reasonable grasp of economics. Tariffs will increase the price of UK products in the US, causing inflation there and more than likely a reduction in imports from the UK.
How will a reduction in experts to the US be fine for the UK?

EXPORTS, not experts...

TerriBull

Words of wisdom from Bernie Sanders and plain common sense "it should be no surprise that a party who have abandoned the working classes, find that the working classes have abandoned them"

But what about Obamacare? The Republicans didn’t give them that.

Yes I agree with you on that Maybe, I would have voted for Obama when he was a prospective candidate. I would also add that I'm not a Trump supporter, as a woman, I wouldn't vote for him. Nevertheless, Kamala to me was a lacklustre candidate without any clear policies.

Yes the left have become the party of the middle class. And the middle class dont understand why the working class arent grateful to them.

The thing is the working classes aren’t going to be championed by the Republican Party either. The smoke and mirrors act performed by Trump and the Tories in the UK, scapegoating immigrants for all the working classes ills won’t make their lot in life any better. The Tories flogged that horse to death for 14 years.
The only way to champion the working classes is to create jobs that aren’t there due to past governments getting rid of the primary sector. Thus resulted in the rust belt in the US, and an industrial wilderness North of the border in the UK.
Also the provision of public services for working classes is a must so that, particularly in the US, but increasingly in the UK, poorer citizens can access healthcare without going into debt.
Immigration is not the bogey man in all of this, and parties that flag it up as such are never going to actually turn the fortunes of the working classes around.

Babs - you are right.👍