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Its Keir Starmer, not Kier Starmer

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Wyllow3 Fri 25-Oct-24 10:13:33

Why do some posters constantly fail to be able to spell his name correctly? Surely we have noticed our PM is Keir after all this time? There is no such name as "Kier".

Mollygo Fri 25-Oct-24 23:12:13

Doodledog
I don't know if it's me seeing a different side of you since the election, or if I just didn't see it before, but I used to see someone calling out passive aggression on trans threads (I'm not sure that we shared a presence on other ones very often) but now you seem to be the worst offender at exactly that.
That’s a very well put description of how your posts appear to me since the election Doodledog.

We used to have a poster (ex-poster? I won't name her in case that is against the rules, but am happy to do so if not - her name could be 'Purple Airspace' if in a crossword - who used to hint at things that 'some people' did, and pretended that she could see both sides of everything and was the reasonable person on every thread. We could all see that this was far from true, however.
???
You’ve just asked me to name somebody from another thread, but you won’t do so? How is that reasonable?

It is very rare that anyone other than the Dalai Lama can claim to be the voice of reason, see both sides, sit in the middle etc, however much people think they do so.

I agree, but who are the people think they do so you mean?

I don't think for a moment that you are fair to both sides since Labour won the election, and neither do I think that you are somehow 'in the middle', any more than Purple Airspace was when it came to trans issues.

What you think is your opinion.
What I think is mine. I think I’m fair and unless there is a new rule I’ve not heard of about who is allowed to have an opinion . . .

That doesn't matter, as far as I am concerned. I have friends from all political persuasions, but as I believe in democracy I accept that people don't have to agree with me.
???

If someone argues, I will argue back, though. I only get personal when people attack me, however. There are historical reasons for that. I try not to let them influence my responses, but don't always manage. I do know that if people simply disagree, I just disagree back, and don't to the 'tit for tat' thing that you seem to revel in. Even people with whom I usually disagree will accept that, I think. People can, of course, feel free to come up with examples if they think I am wrong.
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As you know, it is easy to go back through threads and pull up examples, so please don't do the 'I know what I am but what are you?' thing? It's not clever to try to 'Gotcha' people, and try to trip them up with 'you said this, so you must mean that' accusations, particularly when they are in code, or hidden in more complex posts.

You keep going on about gotcha, but it’s in your mind or interpretation. I don’t bother doing that.

As I've said, I can't be bothered with GN presently, so if you decide to use this defence to try to get me banned, I won't be too upset. I am not looking at leaving of my own volition, as I enjoy the company of a lot of people (whether political 'friends' or not) but it all feel so toxic just now that it feels like more trouble than it's worth.

I don't, and haven’t ever done reporting to try and get anyone banned. It’s much better to leave the comments to stand, but if you’re happy to make that accusation, so be it.

I have things going on in my private life that I might once have come here to ask advice about, but now I wouldn't dream of it because of the spite that moves from thread to thread. The Starmer hatred has killed the sense of community that used to be here, I think.

I think the constant rebuttal of any criticisms of Starmer are equally contributing to the loss of community.

madalene Fri 25-Oct-24 23:29:03

Is this really in News and Politics?
Surely it should be in Pedants’ corner!

RosiesMaw2 Sat 26-Oct-24 00:06:27

madalene

Is this really in News and Politics?
Surely it should be in Pedants’ corner!

gringrin

Grunty Sat 26-Oct-24 01:04:16

I could think of a lot of things to call him; Kier would be one of the more polite ones.

escaped Sat 26-Oct-24 06:59:14

All this to do with a name, and whether it is Kier, Keir, Starmer, KS, Sir, or plain Mr! If the thread had been in Chat, it would have been quite funny.

I really have no idea who it was who reprimanded me for the Omid Scooby(do) name, because it was racist (!!), (maybe it was WoozieSuzie or someone), but why would anyone trawl through past threads to deliver any accusations? I use my memory, and if that falls on a nebulous "someone", what's wrong with that?

Maybe Mollygo was thinking along those lines, but I fail to see how she was supposed to remember every person's name who made every comment. Maybe I'm a bit dim, (now who was it who called me so?), but I also fail to see how she was being an offender of passive aggression here. If anything it was another poster, using a laugh emoji, who prolonged the comment into wondering who - nothing wrong with that either.
🤔

escaped Sat 26-Oct-24 07:00:49

RosiesMaw2

madalene

Is this really in News and Politics?
Surely it should be in Pedants’ corner!

gringrin

😂
Funny cartoon!

Baggs Sat 26-Oct-24 07:09:59

GONHRTWT

Fits better with tier, as in Two Tier Kier/2TK.

There. Sorted 😘

Transalation of the stuff at the top: Guilty Of Not Having Read The Whole Thread.

Baggs Sat 26-Oct-24 07:11:29

I even included another spelling mistake, or typo as they are otherwise called, since I do know how to spell everything!

Mamie Sat 26-Oct-24 07:13:17

I thought the origin of the name stuff was quite interesting, but some of the thread is a bit weird. (Please note the spelling). 😂😂😂

escaped Sat 26-Oct-24 07:19:13

Yes, indeed Mamie, ever the linguine in some of us!

Or should that be the linguist? 😂

Mamie Sat 26-Oct-24 07:42:43

escaped

Yes, indeed Mamie, ever the linguine in some of us!

Or should that be the linguist? 😂

I like linguine as a substitute! 😃

rafichagran Sat 26-Oct-24 07:42:53

I like the Prime ministers name, about the only thing I do like about him now, Kier to me looms better written down, but if it is spelt Keir then that's what I shall write.
I really do not think it is a big thing when posters or others put Kier in error. I could not be bothered to correct or argue it.

madalene Sat 26-Oct-24 09:22:12

Quite rafichagran, it’s not important.
There are much more important things happening in the world to get upset about.

MayBee70 Sat 26-Oct-24 14:05:03

Imo people are being totally disrespectful of the PM by constantly spelling his name wrong. I’ve never known such vitriol aimed at a new PM who, imo, has done nothing to deserve it. Ok Truss was ridiculed but she did crash the economy. It smacks of people jumping on a bandwagon; almost like playground bullying. I don’t understand it and I really am trying to distance myself from gransnet these days.
sad

Rosie51 Sat 26-Oct-24 14:36:28

MayBee70

Imo people are being totally disrespectful of the PM by constantly spelling his name wrong. I’ve never known such vitriol aimed at a new PM who, imo, has done nothing to deserve it. Ok Truss was ridiculed but she did crash the economy. It smacks of people jumping on a bandwagon; almost like playground bullying. I don’t understand it and I really am trying to distance myself from gransnet these days.
sad

Ok Truss was ridiculed and that's OK in your book, you didn't feel any need to question that? I hold no cause for Truss but transposing the i and e in Keir Starmer's name is hardly totally disrespectful as I doubt any of it is done purposely. Comparing her to a lettuce was done purposely to disrespect her and she (briefly) held the same office as Starmer.

Did you object to the various nicknames purposely assigned to previous PMs?

Does it distress you when other people have their name misspelled?

With all the wars, hunger, extreme weather events etc going on in the world this really is very minor.

Baggs Sat 26-Oct-24 14:43:04

Actually, in a free society, it's perfectly okay to be disrespectful of the PM. We are not in a tyrannical dictatorship.

Yet.

Allira Sat 26-Oct-24 14:52:03

Mamie

I thought the origin of the name stuff was quite interesting, but some of the thread is a bit weird. (Please note the spelling). 😂😂😂

wierd, Mamei as any schoolboy no.

Allira Sat 26-Oct-24 14:58:47

Baggs

Actually, in a free society, it's perfectly okay to be disrespectful of the PM. We are not in a tyrannical dictatorship.

Yet.

PMs have always been given nicknames.

In this case it is usually a simple misspelling, not derogatory at all and nothing to get wound up about, by many who were taught that i comes before e with certain exceptions. That was, in all probability, before Keir Starmer was born.

Anyway, why is no-one getting hot under the collar because he's not being addressed by his correct title as he is a KCB?

Allira Sat 26-Oct-24 15:00:44

MayBee70

Imo people are being totally disrespectful of the PM by constantly spelling his name wrong. I’ve never known such vitriol aimed at a new PM who, imo, has done nothing to deserve it. Ok Truss was ridiculed but she did crash the economy. It smacks of people jumping on a bandwagon; almost like playground bullying. I don’t understand it and I really am trying to distance myself from gransnet these days.
sad

Some people are dyslexic.

It is wrong to get annoyed with them.

Wyllow3 Sat 26-Oct-24 15:31:50

I really don't think maybee was having a go at dyslexics, its not been mentioned before?

My simple O/P request (out of a degree of frustration) has certainly taken some strange directions.

I do try and get the right spelling for names when we are in political discussions, with some difficulty at times (as I said above, is it Badenhoch or Badenock or Badenoch, is it Jenrick or Jenwick)

to keep on topic not a series of one-liners which sometimes just leads to spats.

Allira Sat 26-Oct-24 15:35:29

I wasn't having a go at anyone in particular either but just explaining that some people are dyslexic and they may have difficulty with names in particular.

Wyllow3 Sat 26-Oct-24 15:40:08

Oh, Ok -a valid point.

Rosie51 Sat 26-Oct-24 15:49:24

Wyllow3

I really don't think maybee was having a go at dyslexics, its not been mentioned before?

My simple O/P request (out of a degree of frustration) has certainly taken some strange directions.

I do try and get the right spelling for names when we are in political discussions, with some difficulty at times (as I said above, is it Badenhoch or Badenock or Badenoch, is it Jenrick or Jenwick)

to keep on topic not a series of one-liners which sometimes just leads to spats.

I expect that's the problem. You're not sure about the spelling of Kemi Badenoch or Robert Jenrick so you probably check before posting if referring to either. People that are spelling Keir as Kier don't need to check as they're confident they're spelling it correctly. Your assertion there is no such name as 'Kier' is absolutely wrong there is a surname spelled this way, and many a surname gets used as a forename over time. People used to spelling tier might well expect a name that rhymes with that word to be spelt Kier, it's fairly logical.

Allira Sat 26-Oct-24 15:54:07

Kier or Kieran - an Irish name.

'Kier is a masculine name of Irish origin. A variant of Kieran, this name comes from the Irish name Ciarán and the Old Irish word cíar‎, meaning “dark” or “swarthy.”'

Mollygo Sat 26-Oct-24 15:56:03

MayBee70
Imo people are being totally disrespectful of the PM by constantly spelling his name wrong. I’ve never known such vitriol aimed at a new PM who, imo, has done nothing to deserve it. Ok Truss was ridiculed but she did crash the economy. It smacks of people jumping on a bandwagon; almost like playground bullying. I don’t understand it and I really am trying to distance myself from gransnet these days.

Rosie51

sad
Ok Truss was ridiculed and that's OK in your book, you didn't feel any need to question that? I hold no cause for Truss but transposing the i and e in Keir Starmer's name is hardly totally disrespectful as I doubt any of it is done purposely.
Comparing her to a lettuce was done purposely to disrespect her and she (briefly) held the same office as Starmer.

Did you object to the various nicknames purposely assigned to previous PMs?

Does it distress you when other people have their name misspelled?

With all the wars, hunger, extreme weather events etc going on in the world this really is very minor.

This