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Primrose53

jasper16

JenniferEccles

I think Sarah Smith, the BBC’s America correspondent summed it up well when she said “ Voters were presented with two different versions of America - they chose Trump’s “

It’s as simple as that.

Nice! Like a lot of people they choose racism, false promises, greed and narrow mindedness.

The full horror of this is sinking in as the day goes on.

So all those millions are wrong and you are right. OK 🤣🤣🤣🤣

That's rather rude. What is good about him please? Which of his policies or speeeches do you like?

Thanks

Fleurpepper

Namsnanny

Fleurpepper

Namsnanny

growstuff

Namsnanny

Little factoid (probably known by many), the Amish came out to vote for the first time ever.
They must have thought it an unusual election to have made such a decision.
They generally hate anything associated with the English world

The catalyst was raw milk.

Just as good a reason as any other.

It is very expensive here, as I know, we have it delivered from outside of our county, as no farms produce it near by.
A valuable food source imo

Oh come on- the Amish can keep their own cows if they wish.

Can you explain your comments, please?

Simple enough, still a very rural community, with land and farms- so keeping a few cows for raw milk, either as families or communities, should not be a problem.

I think the raw milk from the Amish community is sold widely and there was a court case earlier in the year (was it because of listeria?).

Trump supporters turned up in support of the Amish farmer because, of course, they wanted their votes. The Amish community traditionally don't vote but Pennsylvania is a swing state.

Mt61

Oreo

You must use the words bootlicking instead MT61 otherwise the thread police will be all over you😁

Yes. I apologise. Boot licking

And you think this is better, really?

But as Trump wears a nappy and poos himself deliberately when angry- not even his best supporter would want to lick his *se!

Re the abortion debate. I will repeat story I have told before.
Two women known to me learned, during a scan, that their much wanted second pregnancy had resulted in a foetus with severe abnormalities that were not commensurate with life.
After much sadness and discussions with their families, one woman terminated the pregnancy, the second to continue to term. Her baby survived two days.
In the middle of such terrible grief, I am comforted that these women live in a country where the decisions were theirs to make, not those of the (old/male?) lawmakers.
Have pity for any American woman in this situation tomorrow.

IMO Elon MUSK bought Trump voters - of course we’ll never find out if this is fact or fiction as he’s Ttump’s ally… feeling very disturbed and family in Cali still trying to process this result..

Boot licking is fine.
It's the word arse which is offensive, apparently.

Really, Fleurpepper?
I feel rather queasy now.

Allira - yes, it was I who objected to the phrase. I still do. I understand that others are happy with this level of debate find it necessary to refer to me as the " thread police ".

For whatever it's worth, you Brits should know that approximately half of us "crazy Americans" feel sickened and horrified by the prospect of four more years of that monster in the White House. Due to our arcane Electoral College system, it could be more than half. Majority rule doesn't count in this country.
We in the blue (Democratic majority) states did what we could, but it was apparently not enough. The pundits will be yammering for weeks or months now about what went wrong.

Chocolatelovinggran

Allira - yes, it was I who objected to the phrase. I still do. I understand that others are happy with this level of debate find it necessary to refer to me as the " thread police ".

It's ok, it is rude when used in that context, I agree, although the 'a' word is often used colloquially in different contexts and doesn't seem so rude then.

Bootlicking always reminds me of an over-excited dog I remember!

GoldenLady

For whatever it's worth, you Brits should know that approximately half of us "crazy Americans" feel sickened and horrified by the prospect of four more years of that monster in the White House. Due to our arcane Electoral College system, it could be more than half. Majority rule doesn't count in this country.
We in the blue (Democratic majority) states did what we could, but it was apparently not enough. The pundits will be yammering for weeks or months now about what went wrong.

I am interested to hear from somebody who actually knows what they are talking about?

How much power does he have or is he a figure head?

Thanks

GoldenLady

For whatever it's worth, you Brits should know that approximately half of us "crazy Americans" feel sickened and horrified by the prospect of four more years of that monster in the White House. Due to our arcane Electoral College system, it could be more than half. Majority rule doesn't count in this country.
We in the blue (Democratic majority) states did what we could, but it was apparently not enough. The pundits will be yammering for weeks or months now about what went wrong.

You were unfortunately rather stymied by Biden not really supporting Kamala.. dark days ahead for the whole world now I think..

GoldenLady

For whatever it's worth, you Brits should know that approximately half of us "crazy Americans" feel sickened and horrified by the prospect of four more years of that monster in the White House. Due to our arcane Electoral College system, it could be more than half. Majority rule doesn't count in this country.
We in the blue (Democratic majority) states did what we could, but it was apparently not enough. The pundits will be yammering for weeks or months now about what went wrong.

Thank you!

I have both family and good friends in your Country and know many of you are just as horrified as some of us here across the pond!

I sincerely wish you luck x

World mood after this result

GoldenLady

For whatever it's worth, you Brits should know that approximately half of us "crazy Americans" feel sickened and horrified by the prospect of four more years of that monster in the White House. Due to our arcane Electoral College system, it could be more than half. Majority rule doesn't count in this country.
We in the blue (Democratic majority) states did what we could, but it was apparently not enough. The pundits will be yammering for weeks or months now about what went wrong.

So sorry.
Your pain and horror at seeing Trump elected resonates around the world.
😣

Democrats have suffered “a total and complete repudiation” after losing control of the Senate while Kamala Harris fell short in the White House race, a party source has said.

The individual told Punchbowl News: “This was as bad as I’ve ever seen.

“This was a total and complete repudiation of the Democratic party. People are not buying what we’re selling. Period.”

Brilliant Aveline, sadly!

Wrong thread. I meant to post this on US Election thread.
Ah well.

GoldenLady

For whatever it's worth, you Brits should know that approximately half of us "crazy Americans" feel sickened and horrified by the prospect of four more years of that monster in the White House. Due to our arcane Electoral College system, it could be more than half. Majority rule doesn't count in this country.
We in the blue (Democratic majority) states did what we could, but it was apparently not enough. The pundits will be yammering for weeks or months now about what went wrong.

Thank you for sharing some thoughts on your reality. Our friends in the USA are devastated.

GoldenLady

For whatever it's worth, you Brits should know that approximately half of us "crazy Americans" feel sickened and horrified by the prospect of four more years of that monster in the White House. Due to our arcane Electoral College system, it could be more than half. Majority rule doesn't count in this country.
We in the blue (Democratic majority) states did what we could, but it was apparently not enough. The pundits will be yammering for weeks or months now about what went wrong.

What I don’t understand is this; when Trump professes to ‘make America great again’ do those who support him not realise that he is a figure of fun and ridicule in other countries. Along with being feared, not because, as they think, he is strong but because he is deranged and dangerous. And the people who support him, black, Latino and now Muslim ( because of Gaza) are the very people that he despises. Is he popular because of being on The Apprentice? Do they note realise that, far from being good with money, he has been bankrupt. And that he isn’t self made: his money came from his father. Why do those in the Bible Belt not see him as a misogynistic womaniser and philanderer? My heart bleeds for those Americans like yourself that can see him for what he is but I hope that those that can’t will have their eyes opened over the next few years.

If you look at the demographic who voted for him - young men, Black and Latino men then you have to ask yourself what all these apparently diverse groups see in him. They are groups who feel there is nothing in it for them from conventional politicos. They are not being listened to. They see prices rising, unfettered immigration and deep divides between rich and poor. Europe is moving to the right. Why should the USA be any different? This is a warning shot here for the neo-liberal woke do-gooders to heed and listen before they are swept aside.

I dont like the man. But I will vote for someone who puts their own country and people first and clamps down on incomers.

Golden Lady whoever referred to the American people as “crazy Americans”, should be ashamed and should apologise to you. I’m apologising on their behalf (and it certainly wasn’t me).

I feel deeply for the American people today. I know a little of how it feels when half of your country folk vote for something that is completely abhorrent to you. That’s how I felt after the UK Brexit referendum. I felt like the UK wasn’t my country anymore.

You are not all ‘crazy Americans’. Many of us here will feel your pain.

LizzieDrip

*Golden Lady* whoever referred to the American people as “crazy Americans”, should be ashamed and should apologise to you. I’m apologising on their behalf (and it certainly wasn’t me).

I feel deeply for the American people today. I know a little of how it feels when half of your country folk vote for something that is completely abhorrent to you. That’s how I felt after the UK Brexit referendum. I felt like the UK wasn’t my country anymore.

You are not all ‘crazy Americans’. Many of us here will feel your pain.

The problem is countries as a whole get branded by the people who represent them on the world stage. It still pains me to think that the rest of the world probably regards all of us as anti Europe.

I don’t like the man. But I will vote for someone who puts their own country and people first and clamps down on incomers
In America’s case that’s black and Latino people, though (amongst others)

LizzieDrip

*Golden Lady* whoever referred to the American people as “crazy Americans”, should be ashamed and should apologise to you. I’m apologising on their behalf (and it certainly wasn’t me).

I feel deeply for the American people today. I know a little of how it feels when half of your country folk vote for something that is completely abhorrent to you. That’s how I felt after the UK Brexit referendum. I felt like the UK wasn’t my country anymore.

You are not all ‘crazy Americans’. Many of us here will feel your pain.

I agree with your first paragraph.
It’s fine to feel disappointed about the result of any democratic election but not to feel it isn’t ‘your country’ as it obvs is and if things had gone the other way in the US election or the Brexit decision then would the disappointed side be equally right to complain it wasn’t their country/ not fair/ not democracy?

How can we be anti Europe when we’re part of Europe?