Trump

Ok anti EU. Happy now?

Oreo

How can we be anti Europe when we’re part of Europe?

Isn't the "anti" against the EU rather than Europe?

Of course, there are those (often men) who just dislike the French, and the Germans for various (questionable) reasons but on the whole many of those who voted to leave the EU still very much enjoy travelling all over it.

MayBee70

^I don’t like the man. But I will vote for someone who puts their own country and people first and clamps down on incomers^
In America’s case that’s black and Latino people, though (amongst others)

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

Fleurpepper

Namsnanny

Fleurpepper

Namsnanny

growstuff

Namsnanny

Little factoid (probably known by many), the Amish came out to vote for the first time ever.
They must have thought it an unusual election to have made such a decision.
They generally hate anything associated with the English world

The catalyst was raw milk.

Just as good a reason as any other.

It is very expensive here, as I know, we have it delivered from outside of our county, as no farms produce it near by.
A valuable food source imo

Oh come on- the Amish can keep their own cows if they wish.

Can you explain your comments, please?

Simple enough, still a very rural community, with land and farms- so keeping a few cows for raw milk, either as families or communities, should not be a problem.

I don't understand why you made that particular comment, or quite who it was meant to be for, or why use the slightly peevish Oh come on? Highlighting some irritation on your part.

Oh come on - the Amish can keep their own cows if they wish

Who suggested they couldn't?

What point were you trying to make, sorry but i just can't see any point at all!

keeping a few cows for raw milk should not be a problem

But it was, as I understand it, for the Biden gov. Is that your understanding?

Ergo one presumes the Amish went to vote for Trump because of this issue?

I'm asking really because I come across plenty of crossed wires when people argue discuss on line, and your irritated response suggest an underlying reason.

But I will vote for someone who puts their own country and people first and clamps down on incomers

Do the words " Native American" ring any bells?

What is an " incomer" in this context please?

It’s fine to feel disappointed about the result of any democratic election but not to feel it isn’t ‘your country

Oreo that’s your opinion, but that is how I felt after the Brexit referendum, and still do feel to a certain extent.

Please don’t tell me that my feelings ‘aren’t fine’.

ronib

What is to stop Trump changing the rules about Presidential number of terms? I would not put it past him to try.

That's true. He did say vote once and you'll never have to vote again.

LizzieDrip

*It’s fine to feel disappointed about the result of any democratic election but not to feel it isn’t ‘your country*

Oreo that’s your opinion, but that is how I felt after the Brexit referendum, and still do feel to a certain extent.

Please don’t tell me that my feelings ‘aren’t fine’.

@lizzie I felt like a woman without a country after Brexit, after seeing how anger and hostility/hatred against immigrants/foreigners was stoked for the sake winning a referendum. It wasn’t the country I had felt previously proud of and like you I still feel that way to sone extent.
Others can call me out for that but it is the way I feel. And am sure many Americans feel that way too.

Trump had a high number of votes from Catholic Latinos due to their not believing in abortions and they are the people Trump is going to deport first ! How stupid of them !

Oreo

How can we be anti Europe when we’re part of Europe?

there is mor to it than just geography. And unlike the rest of Europe, we have always had a big water divide. And for the past 8 years, a massive economic divide, and so much more.

I walked over the border today, and back again, up there in the mountains. Impossible to do from the UK!

Thank you Babs.

I was always proud to be a UK citizen but the lies and hatred engendered by Brexit, in my fellow citizens, has made me feel ‘estranged’ from many of them. It ‘flicked a switch’ in me that has made me view my country differently. That’s how I feel.

People can have their own views but they have no right to say my feelings are not OK.

Because it is a different country. A mean spirited, grabby, greedy , racist place. Full of narrow minded bigots.

No resemblance to what we once had and valued.

My son emigrated to the US about 15 years ago. He can’t vote out there, as he’s still British.

He phoned me last night, as I was getting worried about potential unrest.

He said he thought Trump would win. He said the majority aren’t worried about his character, and couldn’t care less about climate change or global politics.

He said the major worries out there are immigration and the economy, and that’s what most people would vote on.

Which Trump has said he will fix. He probably won’t, but people think he will.🤷‍♀️

So much hand wringing and angst when it will all be forgotten by the weekend 🤷‍♀️

petra

So much hand wringing and angst when it will all be forgotten by the weekend 🤷‍♀️

The implications won't. When we can't breathe.

The voters did not care how Trump spoke they only cared that he promised a better life by eliminating the evil cause of their misfortunes IMMIGRANTS .Trump spreads hate .
The immigrants came to America seeking freedom .

petra

So much hand wringing and angst when it will all be forgotten by the weekend 🤷‍♀️

As a betting person myself I don’t know how you could happily make money out of Trump winning; something that is going to do no good for anyone except Trump himself. So I hope for your sake and the sake of your conscience you’re right

petra

So much hand wringing and angst when it will all be forgotten by the weekend 🤷‍♀️

what an über bizarre comment- by the weekend we will only begin to understand how disastrous this will be- for Americans- but for Europe, Ukraine, and the UK, which is no longer in Europe but with few allies and very very far away.

The US is populated by immigrants, most having only arrived within the past century or two, Trump’s own mother went over to the US on a boat from Scotland.
The only true Americans are the indigenous people - native Americans - who suffered a terrible genocide at the hands of the settlers.

This clip is just terrifying- how will this 'purge' take place. Here is a link to his rally speech in Pennsylvania where he says there will be a truly nast purge.

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The USA is heavily reliant on cheap immigrant labour, in so so many sectors.

I think some here are in favour or a purge.

The words he used in that speech are truly disturbing- and a clear reminder of speeches in 1932/33.

Fleuerpepper UK is part of Europe but not in the EU !

Babs03

LizzieDrip

It’s fine to feel disappointed about the result of any democratic election but not to feel it isn’t ‘your country

Oreo that’s your opinion, but that is how I felt after the Brexit referendum, and still do feel to a certain extent.

Please don’t tell me that my feelings ‘aren’t fine’.

@lizzie I felt like a woman without a country after Brexit, after seeing how anger and hostility/hatred against immigrants/foreigners was stoked for the sake winning a referendum. It wasn’t the country I had felt previously proud of and like you I still feel that way to sone extent.
Others can call me out for that but it is the way I feel. And am sure many Americans feel that way too.

I too feel that the country I used to know has gone Our feelings are as worthy as anyone else's!

LizzieDrip

Thank you Babs.

I was always proud to be a UK citizen but the lies and hatred engendered by Brexit, in my fellow citizens, has made me feel ‘estranged’ from many of them. It ‘flicked a switch’ in me that has made me view my country differently. That’s how I feel.

People can have their own views but they have no right to say my feelings are not OK.

This is exactly how I feel too 🌻