J D Vance Munich address today.

Rula

No need to announce your departure!

I'm just grateful that Trump is getting rid of trans women partaking in women's sports. About time too.

Do you truly believe he’s done this because he wants to support women?

In my view they shouldn’t have been allowed to compete against women in the first place.

However, imo, Trump just hates trans people, I daresay gay people will be next on his agenda.

The majority of people on GNs loathe (rightly) Trump and his administration.

We know the main make up of many of his supporters, redneck , religious groups, poor people, those with no high school education.

Ironically, many of whom will be hurt by his actions.

Those living in the US who have criticised Trump and his cronies on here need to be noted.

imaround

Here is a fun fact for those who think Trumps immigration plan is the greatest of all time.

A portion of them are being released after being arrested. Back I to the same communities they were picked up in.

It is called Catch and Release.

www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/people-caught-trump-immigration-crackdown-released-us-rcna186360

Honestly, you couldn’t make it up?

Cossy said " I daresay gay people will be next on his agenda"

Well, its on the cards already, tho we dont know how far it will be pursued

Pete Hegseth, Trump’s Defense pick, says allowing gay troops to serve openly reflects a Marxist agenda

edition.cnn.com/2024/12/12/politics/pete-hegseth-gay-trans-troops-marxist-agenda/index.html

HousePlantQueen

I find it really hard to understand the mindset of the few GN members who still, despite news reports and first hand reports, still think that Trump and his associates are the "good guys". Or are you just stirring the pot?

Either way, I am out of this thread, those supporting him are either fools (other words are available) or making fun out of a serious subject. I shall leave you to your silly little echo chamber

👏👏

Well apparently President Trump on Wednesday announced an order to open a detention centre at Guantanamo Bay to house up to 30,000 immigrants suspected of being in the country illegally.

MayBee70

I just can’t understand why so many people don’t see how Trump etc al are using immigrants ( not to mention trans people and a few others) in the same way that the Nazis used the Jews prior to WWII.

Because they simply don’t want to, they complain about migrants, they complain about refugees, Moslems, etc etc.

They have complete blind spot re “Jonny Foreigner”, it’s ignorance and whether they like it or not, it’s racism.

They all remind me of Alf Garnet!

They’ve forgotten, even though constantly reminded, they are here in this country, merely due to an accident of birth.

I find most of the pro Trump, anti immigration comments on GN offensive, particularly the below.

*There are many of us out here who feel exactly as I do and I believe we are welcoming our enemies, feeding, educating, homing and clothing them.

Then people act surprised when they turn against us.

Wake up and smell the coffee.*

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Well apparently President Trump on Wednesday announced an order to open a detention centre at Guantanamo Bay to house up to 30,000 immigrants suspected of being in the country illegally.

You think this ok?

Better than Catch & Release Cossy?

I think JD Vance is smarter and more genuine than the whole of the UK parliament put together, Great to have someone of his stature calling out the pathetic UK and European political class. And his wife is Asian, so he cannot be called a racist.

Cossy I was about to ask FGT that very same question.

Although, I wouldn’t expect a response - she’s said previously she won’t respond to my posts as I’m “always gunning for her, and am bad for her well being”. That’s her prerogative.

Cossy I also find some of the comments on GN offensive, such as being called “fools” for supporting our current government:

”I sincerely hope the tide is turning. We have fools running the country and encouraging the fools in the country to carrying on voting for them”

Cossy Its not at all straightforward at the moment but this article is really helpful

What to know about Guantánamo Bay, the base where Trump will send ‘criminal aliens

apnews.com/article/guantanamo-bay-detention-migrants-what-to-know-trump-d027c5c24b523f31a62271dcbe7c010e

Ie - who is being targeted, is it adequately planned, will it be the military or border force, legal actions against it, what Cuba has to say, the fact there is only room in non-military facilities for tiny numbers not 30.000.....

The US focus on the Pacific and China has been evident since before Clinton was President and their concern that Europe was not contributing enough to NATO was voiced by Obama.
Cancel and Trump are reiterating a policy of long standing and the Europeans should not claim to be shocked by its being restated in blunt terms. The chickens have come home to roost. We need to spend far more on defence and that means cutting in other areas given we are already heavily indebted.

I would be really glad if Trump. Vance, Musk concentrated on China and the Pacific

I think Vance maybe did NATO a favour with his speech because everyone was shocked and furious, and hopefully that will galvanise all the countries to seriously look at their financial commitments to it.. and start to find a solution to Ukraine without the overpowering influence of Trump.. He is clearly not putting Ukraine's interests first..

Vance just showed how ignorant he is about about Europe..

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Better than Catch & Release Cossy?

I think JD Vance is smarter and more genuine than the whole of the UK parliament put together, Great to have someone of his stature calling out the pathetic UK and European political class. And his wife is Asian, so he cannot be called a racist.

I actually agree pascal30.

Trump wants to turn his back on Europe - good riddance to him and his weird cronies.

Hopefully, European leaders step up, stand together and get rid of Trump’s influence in our affairs. In the long run, Europe will be better for it … and America will lose out.

In time, Trump may regret his isolationist stance because it will lead to his power on the world stage diminishing; and if there’s one thing Trump loves, it’s power!

I believe the actions of Trump are what has hitherto been described as "draining the swamp" and is what Trump has always promised his voters. First he had to build a team around him to achieve that, which he didn't have in 2017 but in 2025 he is now doing.

Lots of people think he is the swamp.

Churchview

Lots of people think he is the swamp.

Exactly!

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25Avalon

I agree with you Sago. The elephant or elephants in the room were no longer ignored.

Ah, but the thing with elephants is that they don't forget.

draining the swamp

Claremont whether or not you agree with FriedGreenTomatoes2 is irrelevant however, insulting a fellow GN member like you have in your post of 14.50.47 is totally unacceptable.

To the grannies that love JD Vance sooooo muuuuuch

His plan for child care is...... guess what
The grandparents!

How much do you like him now?

GrannyGravy13

Claremont whether or not you agree with FriedGreenTomatoes2 is irrelevant however, insulting a fellow GN member like you have in your post of 14.50.47 is totally unacceptable.

So we should defend people for ideas that wouldn’t have been out of place in pre war Germany?

MayBee70

GrannyGravy13

Claremont whether or not you agree with FriedGreenTomatoes2 is irrelevant however, insulting a fellow GN member like you have in your post of 14.50.47 is totally unacceptable.

So we should defend people for ideas that wouldn’t have been out of place in pre war Germany?

It is possible to disagree with another poster without resorting to insulting them.

GrannyGravy13

Claremont whether or not you agree with FriedGreenTomatoes2 is irrelevant however, insulting a fellow GN member like you have in your post of 14.50.47 is totally unacceptable.

This is not an insult. This is how those comments make me feel.