Grooming gangs. Labour absolutely stink

None of the many honest, decent and respectful Moslems who live in this country would in any way offended, those men who carried out these heinous
appalling acts will be condemned by their fellow men.

Thank you Wyllow for the link to Hansard. I wish people wouldn't believe everything they read in the press without further thought.
I am not a Labour voter but this is an attack by the Tories on them with a scarcity of truth.

GrannyGravy13

Maggie Oliver is my go to for information on the grooming gangs, she is by far the most knowledgeable.

Yes, indeed.

Nothing from Maggie Oliver yet but there are calls for Jess Phillips to resign over this.

youtu.be/bj4_jT6yQo8?feature=shared

Okay GNs time to fess up, if you so wish, how many of you have actually read the free and not behind a paywall Hansard, which by law must be accurate and truthful, unlike some of the media some of you seem to support?

"Strained communtiy relations" comes before any other consideration/decision made?
I don't think anyone suggested that. They did/do, however, have to be taken into account. Not the same thing at all.

Not much, or none, in my opinion.

No.

You sound like you are agreeing with the Telegraph Headline from the opening post.

Maremia

Okay GNs time to fess up, if you so wish, how many of you have actually read the free and not behind a paywall Hansard, which by law must be accurate and truthful, unlike some of the media some of you seem to support?

I have. It expanded on what Jess Phillips explained what was going to happen.
Like lots of people I too was incensed by the announcement.
But watching Jess phillips explain her decision it made sense.

hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2025-04-08/debates/4FDDC9A4-1AC6-4F34-8E6B-3DF6CC2C981A/TacklingChildSexualAbuse

Hansard so's its handy

Primrose53

Nothing from Maggie Oliver yet but there are calls for Jess Phillips to resign over this.

youtu.be/bj4_jT6yQo8?feature=shared

Talk TV is a known very right wing outlet. Might as well just repeat the Telegraph POV. Calls for resignation from the far right are meaningless.

Jeremy Kyle is not someone I'd go to for the truth about anything.

Jess Phillips has no reason to resign. She’s a brave campaigner for women and children.
She’d be a great loss, not least because her track record tells us she will continue to work tirelessly

NotSpaghetti

Jeremy Kyle is not someone I'd go to for the truth about anything.

😂

There's no answer to that!

The Talk TV u tube is Isabel Oakeshott, who is Richard Tice's partner with POV to match. I just looked down the comments

eg "Rubery lowe has already raised 500k for a inquiry, one of the very few doing anything about it apart from Tommy Robinson"

Iam64

Jess Phillips has no reason to resign. She’s a brave campaigner for women and children.
She’d be a great loss, not least because her track record tells us she will continue to work tirelessly

I agree.

Iam64

Jess Phillips has no reason to resign. She’s a brave campaigner for women and children.
She’d be a great loss, not least because her track record tells us she will continue to work tirelessly

Here here 👏👏👏

"apart from Tommy Robinson"

Good old Tommeh and his well known caring attitude.

Sorry I don't think she is brave, I think I have had this conversation before, but when it comes to the tricky stuff, and this is tricky, she flails.

I can understand the hesitation for more national enquiries but I also feel uneasy about local authorities investigating themselves.
Inquiries to date have identified many key issues involved. It remains unknown why so many men were prepared to co-operate with each other in the mass rape, emotional / physical abuse of children. They targeted children they knew would be seen as complicit in their abuse. Thanks to Afzal and Starmer successful prosecutions began but I’d bet the farm the organised child sexual abuse continues.
Men who rape children rarely confined their behaviour to children they aren’t related to.
Maybe those calling for a national inquiry are right. Should it only focus on men of Pakistani Muslim heritage?

Might as well just repeat the Telegraph POV. Calls for resignation from the far right are meaningless.

Yet another meaningless statement from a Labour apologist.

Having read the full report, the speeches and Hansard, my opinion remains the same. It doesn't matter how hard Jess Phillips claims to work, a Public Enquiry where people are compelled to attend and answer questions, has been sought and once again refused. There are many people involved at all levels who have evaded responsibility and thus censure, and the situation will continue unchanged.
Not particularly relevant, but you may be interested to know that Jacob Rees-Mogg and Jess Phillips got on extremely well together .

Your last sentence is one I've been pondering on.

Although there are a higher % of grooming crimes from those with a Pakistani heritage, most grooming crimes and most child abuse crimes are done by white men.

Calls from the right to demand and focus on crimes done by this groups only do make me suspect a degree of divisive racism. Certainly a nasty sort of gamesmanship, given the horrific matters involved.

And there is an unanswered question - the Jay report came out in 2022, and there were immediate calls as a result of it for injuries into cover ups, but the Conservative government sat on it for 2 years doing nothing - yet now turn around and blame Labour?

Don't get me wrong, I think that the cover ups because of race were wrong and should definitely be investigated. And done properly - whether the current proposals (ie handling it locally) can deliver this we'll have to see. surely it depends how they go about it?

The proposals made by the Labour Party for more police action and for Victim groups/support and a separate authority to oversee investigations in the future apply across the board to all offenders.

(I was relying to Iam)

Keir Starmer used a three line whip to force his Labour MPs into stopping an inquiry and his front bench abstained.

Why?

Only one of over 400 Labour MPs believes a public inquiry into the industrial scale rape of tens of thousands of young girls in over 50 towns, by a particular ethnic group is necessary.

Where's your "50 towns" come from? News to me.
Why should victims of abuse from white people be ignored in general measures?