Trans women and single-sex spaces

Just about everyone I should think.

I’m afraid the fact that your friend is lovely has no relevance to the threatening behaviour of other transwomen. Her loveliness hasn’t prevented any of their violence, has it?

Of course it matters, because society has to look at groups as a whole when deciding social and legal policy, and society as a whole to draw limits.
Some people are activists and some are not, and its not the "duty" of this friend more than any one of us to get involved in the debates.

TERW
lots of people know or have a good friend who is trans. You will have read on here how most posters see the actions of TRA can be harmful to those good friends.

The problem is that, as you’ve probably also read on GN , from posters saying you can’t tell the difference. You may not be able to tell the difference until you come up against a harmful TW, so in your view, are women still expected to wait until they meet a harmful TW in a place or event they believed to be free from males and then have to deal with it?

TRA have caused this problem, not women, but women are the ones who are primarily at risk and non-confrontational trans are sadly, collateral damage.

Since there is no biological difference between a non-harmful TW and a harmful TW, the rule that sex and woman means female biological sex, how would you address this matter.
Question:
If a good friend who is trans or a non-confrontational trans who are actually male, was recognised as trans and asked to leave a female safe space, what would their reaction be?
If you were with them, what would your reaction be?
Defend the rights of women or defend the person who has, however nice they are, no right to be there?

The rise in reported hate crimes in the UK is concerning, I hope it continues to fall. I believe instances of justice being served for hate crimes are growing. I will attach here.

www.gov.uk/government/statistics/hate-crime-england-and-wales-year-ending-march-2024/hate-crime-england-and-wales-year-ending-march-2024

Hate crimes, as those demonstrated yesterday?

Luminance
This is much wider than anything to do with transgender issues.

I saw some criminal damage, no hate crimes committed, I am sure I could be wrong. Intersex people were also represented, I am sure it is a struggle for them too finding appropriate facilities and having sex assigned at birth potentially incorrectly.

TERW I have had direct contact with a transwoman. She accused me incorrectly of saying something negative about her, which I definitely hadn’t. I had always been very supportive. It was my sister who made the remark.

Her threats towards me were very frightening and I am so relieved now that she is no longer alive. She was a relative of mine.

She once said to me if there was anyone I didn’t like she knew people who could GET RID of them! It was chilling.

I’m expecting that in a minute someone will post that the “Kill TERF” banners were actually made by feminists pretending to be trans. And that they read that somewhere.🙄

Anything rather than admit there were transwomen calling for violence and death.

The incitement to violence is why women need safe places that trans women cannot enter, so they have to pretend it didn’t happen

There are some very nasty people around - men and women - whatever they call themselves. I'm not surprised you feel as you do.

What is TERF?

* Lathyrus3*

^I’m expecting that in a minute someone will post that the “Kill TERF” banners were actually made by feminists pretending to be trans. And that they read that somewhere.^🙄

Well someone on X posted that JKR was using India W as a pseudonym so she could get more publicity, so nothing’s to stupid to happen when TRA are desperate.

They must be fuming mustn’t they? Their take over hasn’t worked out.Hats off to Justine Roberts for refusing to be browbeaten by them and despite cowardly advertisers pulling out from MN because of their pressure she kept MN and GN a free speech site on this issue.

Luminance

What is TERF?

Google is your friend.

Yes I did, I saw signs against transphobic people and TERF which I have just read is transphobic radical feminist... I'm sorry to ask but if no one here is indeed transphobic why are those signs problematic?

Mollygo

* Lathyrus3*

^I’m expecting that in a minute someone will post that the “Kill TERF” banners were actually made by feminists pretending to be trans. And that they read that somewhere.^🙄

Well someone on X posted that JKR was using India W as a pseudonym so she could get more publicity, so nothing’s to stupid to happen when TRA are desperate.

This happens all over social media on any number of issues! Accusations and conspiracy...and hate masquerading as a just cause.

Luminance

Yes I did, I saw signs against transphobic people and TERF which I have just read is transphobic radical feminist... I'm sorry to ask but if no one here is indeed transphobic why are those signs problematic?

Seriously? This is getting ridiculous now. You claim to work in Mental Health, (or was it education? I can't remember), and you say you don't know what the TERF insult stands for? It's general knowledge, not niche, and anyone working in health or education will have come across it. I think you are being deliberately goady.

I recognised it once I looked it up but no, it's not a term I am used to. So TERF is the equal opposite to TRA, do I have that correct?

Luminance

Yes I did, I saw signs against transphobic people and TERF which I have just read is transphobic radical feminist... I'm sorry to ask but if no one here is indeed transphobic why are those signs problematic?

It’s always problematic if signs say ‘kill’ a certain group of people!

Oreo yes of course, very fair to point that out. Not acceptable behaviour at all, I just thought not attacking those of us here discussing the issue.

Luminance

I recognised it once I looked it up but no, it's not a term I am used to. So TERF is the equal opposite to TRA, do I have that correct?

No. Radical feminism is just a theory. You could be a radical feminist without leaving the house. The A on TRA stands for Activist, which means 'someone who takes action for or against a cause'.

They are very different, and one is not the opposite of the other. The opposite of a TRA would be someone who threatened transpeople, disrupted their meetings and refused to allow them anywhere to meet without non-trans people present to monitor them.

Luminance

Oreo yes of course, very fair to point that out. Not acceptable behaviour at all, I just thought not attacking those of us here discussing the issue.

Eh?

That makes no sense whatsoever.

Familiar tactic.

There are lots of lovely men, none are allowed in female spaces, how lovely someone is, is of no interest to me.

Luminance

Yes I did, I saw signs against transphobic people and TERF which I have just read is transphobic radical feminist... I'm sorry to ask but if no one here is indeed transphobic why are those signs problematic?

No it isn't 'transphobic radical feminist' it's 'trans exclusive radical feminist' It just means that transwomen aren't women which as we all know is a fact. You can't be a transwoman unless you were born male and nobody can change sex.

I find your ignorance about what these well know acronyms stand for really quite unbelievable. Your unconcern at signs calling for violence against anybody is distasteful at best. I'm sure if the signs were calling for violence against TRAs you wouldn't have posted "well if you're not a TRA why is that a problem"