Israel to Conquer Gaza part 2.

MayBee70

But the excuse for blowing up innocent Palestinian people, men women, children and babies is that Israel are wiping out Hamas and, thus far there is no proof that that is happening.

That’s cos the hamas run health ministry only reports numbers killed in strikes, true or untrue and doesn’t differentiate between hamas and civilians.

For those GNs for whom numbers are the issue,
Piers Morgan saying to the Israeli Ambassador to the UK,
'You can tell us the number of Hamas you have killed, but not the number of civilians. Is that not relevant?'
Steve Coogan in central London, possibly yesterday, reading out the names of children killed in Gaza in the past 18 months.

Steve Coogan, Piers Morgan, no Gary Lineker , no Miriam
Margolyes , and true to Hamas - children , because Isreal has
weapons of war which only kill children,

Anniebach, I respect you and recognise your long involvement in politics and all things relevant
I believe there are still more that unites us, that we share but on the awful war, conflict between this Israeli government and Hamas, we seem to have reached opposing views. This bothers me because I share your horror and disgust about 7 October. I defend the right of Israel to defend itself.
I have reached the point of deciding the bombs, the withholding of essential aid goes far beyond self defence

The news today that 22 new illegal settlements are planned, with the full support of the Israeli government if invasion, theft of land, it is not self defence.

The Jewish Voice for Labour published this last Saturday.

"Dehumanisation and the morality of starving children to death".

Its a very very detailed report of discussions in the Knesset

"Knesset Debate Reveals Not Everyone Thinks Starving Gazan Children Is a Bad Thing"

*It reveals in detail though direct quotes the different POV - many taking part thought it immoral.

Also that others many around the table thought that the starvation and torment of Gazan children is not only legitimate but even desirable*

Its a long article but reliable as names and direct quotes are given.

www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/dehumanisation-and-the-morality-of-starving-children-to-death/

Meanwhile -

The last hospital providing health services in the North Gaza governorate is out of service after the Israeli military ordered its immediate evacuation, the hospital's director has said

Dr Mohammed Salha said patients were evacuated from al-Awda hospital in Jabalia on Thursday evening.

He told the BBC "we are feeling really bad about this forced evacuation" after "two weeks of siege", saying there is now "no health facility working in the north".

Israel has not yet commented, but the BBC has contacted the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF).

We're really sad that we evacuated the hospital, but the Israeli occupation forces threatened us that if we didn't evacuate, they would enter and kill whoever is inside," Dr Salha said in a voice note to the BBC

"Or they would bomb the hospital. We were thinking of the lives of patients and our staff."

Dr Salha told the BBC the hospital faced "a lot of bombing and shooting from the tanks" from around noon local time (09:00 GMT) on Thursday.

He received a call from the Israeli forces at about 13:00 to evacuate, and initially refused because there were patients in need of healthcare. He offered to stay with another 10 of his staff and evacuate the others, but the military refused, he said.
After seven hours of negotiations, the evacuation occurred at about 20:30.

Staff carried patients more than 300 metres (984 feet) to ambulances parked far away from the hospital "because the roads are totally destroyed".

Two videos sent to the BBC by al-Awda hospital staff show people, some wearing vests with the hospital's name on the back, boarding ambulances and a lorry to the east of the hospital courtyard at sunset, and a convoy of similar vehicles heading south through Jabalia after dark.

Due to impassable roads" the hospital's medical equipment could not be relocated the World Health Organization (WHO) said.

Israel is a small country which nevertheless is a world leader in medical & paramedical research & practice. They have enviable universal healthcare & Public Health schemes.
How a country that has such respect for medicine and medical personnel can allow its army to target its neighbour's hospitals & doctors in the way it has repeatedly & callously done in these reprisals, is beyond me.

valdavi in the article I posted above from Jewish Voice for Labour its a doctor in the Knesset meeting that spoke up for those suffering in Gaza. That was good to read tho he got anger as well as support. More voices like that is good.

Owen Jones agrees with the majority here

The Independent was the only newspaper this morning to set out the plight of the people of Gaza without aid.

“Images and videos taken by eyewitnesses and the Israeli military showed the GHF boxes appeared limited to canned food, pasta, rice, cooking oil and some biscuits and lentils".

"Humanitarian aid is not just a food box that you slap humanitarian on and you call it humanitarian aid," Ms Khalidi said.

The supplies being given to families should be accompanied by medical support, hygiene and water purification kits, said Prof Gordon.

A 14-page document from GHF, seen by the BBC, promised to hand out water and hygiene kits at the sites.

"By and large, it's designed to dramatically increase the concentration of the population by having the only sources of food remaining in a very small number of places," said Chris Newton, a senior analyst at the Brussels-based think tank Crisis Group.

"You either follow all their rules and probably survive in a small radius around these sites or you are very unlikely to survive."

There are still negotiations run by the US and Quatar for a hostage/prisoner and aid deal, but the sides are very far apart.

The Telegraph said Hamas has rejected the deal but a later report by the Guardian says it's still under discussion.

I think its time for European leaders who have discussed sanctions to act, for those in Israel who are pushing for aid to be heard, I would like to say "people of Gaza to reject Hamas" but cant see any mechanisms for them to do that, and perhaps for Arab countries to put more pressure on Hamas so that some kind of cease fire and aid can happen.

My doubts about the BBC have been strengthened ,

Jerry Adams has won his case against the BBC for libel,

Yes, AnnieB, in a court in Dublin.

I can't really see why your doubts on the Beebwere affected by what I posted

expect perhaps I should have made clear that most of the text was not information from the Beeb and

the last paragraph was my own comments

what troubled you about the bulk of the post BBC wise?

I have searched online about the story put about by Israel that 40 babies in a nursery were beheaded and raped . There is a lot of information from different sources and all agree it is not true. There is no evidence of this happening, Israel has not provided any proof, but because some people persist in repeating it, it hangs around.

I suggested Annie should look it up for herself because she continually quotes this as a truth. This was a rumour put about by Israel but has been debunked many times by many different sources as not true.
The attacks took place at dawn. Babies don’t sleep in nurseries all night , it just wouldn’t happen. Babies would have been in their own homes in their own cots with their parents looking after them.

Sadly two small children died and I can still see their faces, but I also see many more faces, those of mostly unnamed palistinian children too.
No child should ever be killed in this way. They are innocents.
As are all the civilians caught up in this cruel and vicious one sided war.

Top story just now on The Guardian 'live 'online, 'Hamas responds to US - led proposal, by submitting a reply.'
The title keeps changing as updates arrive.

Paper is using the word 'positively'

Meanwhile on the other side of the territory, Arab ministers condemn Israel 'ban' on West Bank visit.

Silverlining48
You are doing all possible to deny baby and child murders on October 7th which in itself is shocking.
Various kibbutzim targeted and very many children and babies murdered in cold blood.
I haven’t mentioned them being raped or beheaded but the way the families were rounded up and killed was truly terrible.
If you really believe there were only two small children murdered you’re reading Hamas propaganda.

Oreo I believe it true that Hamas murdered babies, the parents wouldn’t splash photographs of their bodies on the internet, something Hamas does almost daily

I am doing no such thing, I am saying that the violent murders of 40 babies asleep in a nursery did not happen , but is constantly repeated in its horrific detail by one particular poster.

Israel’s own figures of children’s deaths are 12 children under 10 died on 7 October, including the two little boys I mentioned. The youngest was a baby, only 10 months old killed with her father and grandfather.

Twelve children dead is an absolute tragedy, for each and every family but so is tens of thousands of children dead by bombing, crushing, starvation or lack of medical aid, for them there are no words.

To my knowledge there has been no civilian deaths in Israel since 8 oct 2023. Gaza is not attacking Israel so this is a one sided war. I believe Israel wants to continue until they kill or expel all the palistinians from their own land ( 22 new but illegal settlements agreed by Israel in the West Bank this week).

You can remain loyal and support something or someone, but still see that they don’t always do the right thing and I commend the many Jews who are brave enough to speak out against their government.

It is no benefit to Israel ultimately, if commentators take the view that the country's actions must never be criticised even if they are blatantly doing things which any other country would be condemned for.
If Israel's allies don't try to call a halt to the slaughter, and this government remain in place, the push to "get rid " of as many Palestinians as possible will just escalate. Israel is in danger of acting in ways which will tarnish their image in the western world for decades.

Maremia

Top story just now on The Guardian 'live 'online, 'Hamas responds to US - led proposal, by submitting a reply.'
The title keeps changing as updates arrive.

That is positive, as I reported upthread this morning, the Telegraph said the talk were over but the Guardian that they were ongoing - hoping so much there can be a compromise hostage/prisoner release/aid in.

The Gaza Humanitarian fund (Israel/US led) needs to compromise too. The UN has the money for long term supplies and any to go right now but the GHF need to consider working with them.

As for Israeli parents ‘splashing photos of the bodies of their dead babies on the internet’ ? That simply can’t be true.

Quote silverlining48 Sat 31-May-25 20:46:03
I am doing no such thing, I am saying that the violent murders of 40 babies asleep in a nursery did not happen , but is constantly repeated in its horrific detail by one particular poster.

Israel’s own figures of children’s deaths are 12 children under 10 died on 7 October, including the two little boys I mentioned. The youngest was a baby, only 10 months old killed with her father and grandfather.

I have never spoken of babies in a nursery, first I read of it is from you today, I have never spoken of numbers murdered by
Hamas , that is playing the ‘children card ‘ which Hamas does almost daily, I have spoken of two children as the world did when Hamas returned two dead little hostages , that’s it

At least 29 children were killed when Hamas attacked Israel on Oct. 7, according to the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs. In addition, about 30 children were taken hostage by Hamas, the Associated Press reported.

But a video has been circulating on Instagram falsely suggesting that there may have been no deaths of children in Israel.

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