Israel to Conquer Gaza part 2.

Quote silverlining48 Fri 30-May-25 11:59:31
Annie all these claims about raping and beheading babies has been checked and accepted is just not true, not because I say so, yet you constantly repeat this as truth, and it isn’t.

Who checked and who accepted as not true ?

^Unsubstantiated reports of beheaded babies and children
See also: Hamas baby beheading hoax^
Several Israeli sources said in the aftermath of the attack that there were bodies of multiple beheaded infants in Kfar Aza. Later the Israeli government said it could not confirm the veracity of the claim and several investigations found it to be untrue.
This is an extract from a long Wikipedia entry about the terrible events of October 7th. There is a lot of information about the atrocities committed by Hamas that are true so no need to give them an excuse to deny things that did not happen. The truth of what happened is hard enough for the poor souls who were involved to deal with.

Certainly some adults were beheaded, one poor Thai gardener at a kibbutz was beheaded while alive by multiple attacks with gardening tools.
Babies shot, or stabbed or dashed against walls.Children and teenagers and adults tied with metal then burned alive.
A lot filmed on hamas own phones.They’re bestial.

There are differing accounts, I've read them. No one denies, as Parsley points out.

All the more reasons to look in horror at what is happening and has happened in Gaza right now - does what happened on October 7th make it right?

None of those children being killed just now in Gaza had anything to do with the October 7th atrocities.

I await info on the investigators , unusual for you Wylllow no links, not even the BBC?

Surely a rabbi or Miriam Margolyes , not from you Wyllow

Most people are horrified by the sickening events in Israel but however many times it's referred to doesn't stop the horror that is happening in Gaza now.

Quote Maremia Fri 30-May-25 14:57:30
None of those children being killed just now in Gaza had anything to do with the October 7th atrocities.

What did those murdered in Israel 7th October 2023 do to cause the horrors they experienced?

Anniebach

I await info on the investigators , unusual for you Wylllow no links, not even the BBC?

Surely a rabbi or Miriam Margolyes , not from you Wyllow

I hope you trust me well enough Annie by now, if I say that I have looked up the sources I can, that I have. I don't demand sources from you every time you post as I appreciate it might not be possible.

Innocents on either side cannot be said to cause the horrors of this war.

So I wonder what excuse has been put forward to steal land and inflict violence on the landowners to drive them away?

No Hamas, No rockets being fired from the West Bank. No hostages.

Just plain theft and cruelty.

Imagine sitting in your home, surrounded by your farm land and being violently evicted and driven away with threats and guns to destitution and homelessness.

Utterly evil.

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Anniebach
I await info on the investigators , unusual for you Wylllow no links, not even the BBC?

Surely a rabbi or Miriam Margolyes , not from you Wyllow
I hope you trust me well enough Annie by now, if I say that I have looked up the sources I can, that I have. I don't demand sources from you every time you post as I appreciate it might not be possible.

Innocents on either side cannot be said to cause the horrors of this war.

Yes I do trust you Wyllow.

Would be interested if Annie can produce independent evidence about the beheaded babies , raped and smashed into walls which she keeps reporting as truth, despite being told more than once, that it never happened.

I agree Wyllow3, 'innocents on either side cannot be said to cause the horrors of this war.' and so, no children should be allowed by the rest of the world to suffer in this way.
We know/believe that Hamas doesn't care, nor does Netanyahu. Instead, he ramps up the agro by stealing land from Palestinians on the West Bank, even though those settlements have been declared illegal.

Oreo

Certainly some adults were beheaded, one poor Thai gardener at a kibbutz was beheaded while alive by multiple attacks with gardening tools.
Babies shot, or stabbed or dashed against walls.Children and teenagers and adults tied with metal then burned alive.
A lot filmed on hamas own phones.They’re bestial.

www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20241007-hamas-terrorist-attacks-7-october-deadliest-day-israel-history-anniversary

A lot filmed on hamas own phones.They’re bestial.
They were allegedly give drugs by their leaders and were high.

Like the Holocaust, is there beginning to be an element of denial now ?

Just now, on Facebook a report with video of John McDonnell in the HOC (22nd of May is the date on the vid) saying there should be a date set for aid to go in to Gaza, and if that date is not met, we should be looking at air drops, and sea landings.
Someone else was talking about that concept upthread.

Also Allira, saw a report, saying they (Hamas) did not expect to survive the assault, as they thought there would have been a firce and immediate fight back from the Israeli side.
But back to the aid issue, again on Facebook, report saying the very recent aid distributed had no water or oil for cooking, no baby food.

Fierce

Allira

Oreo

Certainly some adults were beheaded, one poor Thai gardener at a kibbutz was beheaded while alive by multiple attacks with gardening tools.
Babies shot, or stabbed or dashed against walls.Children and teenagers and adults tied with metal then burned alive.
A lot filmed on hamas own phones.They’re bestial.

www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20241007-hamas-terrorist-attacks-7-october-deadliest-day-israel-history-anniversary

A lot filmed on hamas own phones.They’re bestial.
They were allegedly give drugs by their leaders and were high.

Like the Holocaust, is there beginning to be an element of denial now ?

What happened in the holocaust or on 7 Oct does not give Israel carte blanche to do what they’re doing to the Palestinians.

Maremia

Just now, on Facebook a report with video of John McDonnell in the HOC (22nd of May is the date on the vid) saying there should be a date set for aid to go in to Gaza, and if that date is not met, we should be looking at air drops, and sea landings.
Someone else was talking about that concept upthread.

Yes, something needs to happen as a matter of urgency.
The situation is desperate now.

Sorry Allira, can't get into that post because of pop ups.

MayBee70

Allira

Oreo

Certainly some adults were beheaded, one poor Thai gardener at a kibbutz was beheaded while alive by multiple attacks with gardening tools.
Babies shot, or stabbed or dashed against walls.Children and teenagers and adults tied with metal then burned alive.
A lot filmed on hamas own phones.They’re bestial.

www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20241007-hamas-terrorist-attacks-7-october-deadliest-day-israel-history-anniversary

A lot filmed on hamas own phones.They’re bestial.
They were allegedly give drugs by their leaders and were high.

Like the Holocaust, is there beginning to be an element of denial now ?

What happened in the holocaust or on 7 Oct does not give Israel carte blanche to do what they’re doing to the Palestinians.

How do you extrapolate that from what I said?
I said nothing of the sort so it might be polite to retract that statement.

silverlining48

Would be interested if Annie can produce independent evidence about the beheaded babies , raped and smashed into walls which she keeps reporting as truth, despite being told more than once, that it never happened.

What do you think happened to all the babies murdered in their little cots in the kibbutz nurseries?
Do you imagine that Palestinians wedded to the hamas cause gave them a painless death pill?
Your adherence to the pro Palestine cause causes denial and is beyond belief!

It's strange that, if one acknowledges the brutality of Hamas, it is assumed that one is anti the Palestinian people.

All of this is brutal and horrendous.

But the excuse for blowing up innocent Palestinian people, men women, children and babies is that Israel are wiping out Hamas and, thus far there is no proof that that is happening.

All of this is brutal and horrendous.