Afghan mess up

It's all starting to look like a Tory cover up, especially now it has come out that MI6 officers were named on the list, that the person responsible was a serving Royal Marine and that a high proportion of the Afghan applicants were fakers. I noticed the Tory on Newsnight refer to the person as an 'official' - a clear obfuscation to direct blame to the Civil Service rather than the military.

Freya5

Maremia

I'd just like to mention that it would have been much, much more than 400+ British soldiers not coming home, if these Afghan recruits had not helped to save all the British Army lives that they did.
We owe them thanks for that, and we owe them the keeping of the promises made.

Not all were kosher to the Armed services. Some had already been refused. Yet here they are. Wonderful!!!!

Yes, it is true that some Afghan men were turned down for asylum here even though they had worked for the British Army ( you must remember they worked for money, they didn’t help us out of kindness) because they had been convicted of sex crimes and violence.Some of those will now be here.
It’s a mess alright, but we do have a duty to help as many as possible even so.If any crimes are committed here by them then they should receive long prison sentences as we can’t send them back.Most will settle here well tho I should think.

oreo can you give me a reference or link to your post please, as I’m having difficulty establishing what you are asserting in your post.

What I will say is that Rory Stewart - whose knowledge of that area (he of course denies that he worked for British intelligence) - is second to none, has never made such a claim.

No I refuse to do links and references to those who ask or demand them on forum threads.I think posters should look for information themselves.
It’s been reported widely recently.

When recruiting Afghan men it didn’t matter to the Army if they were wonderful family men or utter b******s out in the field but they never thought the men would be claiming asylum here at that time, so you can see how it was.

Oreo

No I refuse to do links and references to those who ask or demand them on forum threads.I think posters should look for information themselves.
It’s been reported widely recently.

That’s the point - I’ve been trying hard to find this apparent issue - particularly your sentence that talks about employing sex Offenders etc but I simply can’t find it anywhere.

I did think a polite request might enlist a polite response😄😄

Obviously I was mistaken.

I therefore will assume that your post was something you dreamt up after reading one report about an afghan sex offender who was given refugee status because he was at risk of being killed if returned to Afghanistan.

However if I’m wrong I will be very happy to be corrected.

Oreo

When recruiting Afghan men it didn’t matter to the Army if they were wonderful family men or utter b******s out in the field but they never thought the men would be claiming asylum here at that time, so you can see how it was.

Another dreamt up opinion or fact?

You are wrong, but I’ll forgive you this time 😄
My response was polite btw it’s my policy not to go off researching for links for posters who can do it themselves.

🙄. So your post isn’t based on anything factual just opinion.

That’s all I needed to know - thank you

Added to that ( Afghans still managing to claim asylum despite their convictions) the Ministry of Justice says that according to crime figures Afghans are committing 20% more sexual crimes than other nationalities.
Something more to think about.

I’ve just read this Hansard report.
Conclusion: the recruitment was chaotic. Plus the last government lied in parliament on this issue. Shock horror who would believe it 😱

Primrose53

Whitewavemark2

Primrose53

eazybee

Yet another shambles, where there does not seem to be any account of how many have entered, how many are genuine claimants, where they are, and if their families are allowed to come too.
This country is being filled up with young men from violent countries, and no track is kept of their whereabouts.

And many of these men will be sex offenders.

Disgusting post.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/10/foreigners-commit-up-to-quarter-of-sex-crimes/

Fact.

Yes I read that too, it is a fact. 👏👏👏👏👏 well done for being brave enough to post it, as instant racist accusations levelled.

Violence and thuggery are now manifesting themselves outside accommodation for asylum seekers in Essex.

Police have been injured and protective fencing has been put up.

This happened last summer as a result of incorrect information being given out on SM. escalating into a full scale riot.

One female was imprisoned snd many fined for the nonsense/lies and incitement.

Oreo

Added to that ( Afghans still managing to claim asylum despite their convictions) the Ministry of Justice says that according to crime figures Afghans are committing 20% more sexual crimes than other nationalities.
Something more to think about.

Another attempt at statistics! Last time it was twenty times more than other nationalities.

The Telegraph article says foreigners commit up to a quarter of sex crimes*. That's true. The stats which were posted before showed 21% of those charged with sex crimes in West Yorkshire are foreigners. However, I looked up the demographic profile of West Yorkshire. 23% of West Yorkshire residents identify as foreigners. If sex offenders are representative of the population, it means that sex offenders are less likely to be foreign.

I do wish Sunak had been successful at boosting understanding of maths!

If people could only turn it on its head and consider, "these Afghans are mostly totally behind our values, thats why they chose to do the jobs they did".

And yes, despite some bad apples, we should welcome them, not hate them, and do what we can to explain this to those in the public and online who would do nothing but condemn, see the worst in everyone?

Turn your glasses over from glass half empty: to glasses half full: yes we need to reduce numbers coming,

but lets be selective, and the glasses half full bit of us welcome what incomers can really contribute.

Many of the Afghans coming are not only eager to adopt our values, what else did they fight for in Afghanistan?

They are mostly very well educated and in a real position to do good in our communities: one such was interviewed on the radio: superb English of course, and keen to join us, just worried frantic about his wider family back home (his wife had been able to join him),

growstuff

Oreo

Added to that ( Afghans still managing to claim asylum despite their convictions) the Ministry of Justice says that according to crime figures Afghans are committing 20% more sexual crimes than other nationalities.
Something more to think about.

Another attempt at statistics! Last time it was twenty times more than other nationalities.

The Telegraph article says foreigners commit up to a quarter of sex crimes*. That's true. The stats which were posted before showed 21% of those charged with sex crimes in West Yorkshire are foreigners. However, I looked up the demographic profile of West Yorkshire. 23% of West Yorkshire residents identify as foreigners. If sex offenders are representative of the population, it means that sex offenders are less likely to be foreign.

I do wish Sunak had been successful at boosting understanding of maths!

Who said twenty times more? Not me.
I got the 20% figure from the Ministry of Justice crime figures not from The Telegraph and it wasn’t about West Yorkshire.

I agree with a lot of what you say Wyllow03 but something to consider is there were only just over a thousand ‘badged’ Afghans working with the Army, yet something like 35,000 are either here already or in the pipeline , many more than the UK owes any debt to.This may well be due to bodged asylum applications or the mess created by the leaked lists.Even allowing the badged applicants a wife and family,which many had tho not all, it doesn’t add up.Are they really all Afghans? It doesn’t make you wonder.

Oreo

growstuff

Oreo

Added to that ( Afghans still managing to claim asylum despite their convictions) the Ministry of Justice says that according to crime figures Afghans are committing 20% more sexual crimes than other nationalities.
Something more to think about.

Another attempt at statistics! Last time it was twenty times more than other nationalities.

The Telegraph article says foreigners commit up to a quarter of sex crimes*. That's true. The stats which were posted before showed 21% of those charged with sex crimes in West Yorkshire are foreigners. However, I looked up the demographic profile of West Yorkshire. 23% of West Yorkshire residents identify as foreigners. If sex offenders are representative of the population, it means that sex offenders are less likely to be foreign.

I do wish Sunak had been successful at boosting understanding of maths!

Who said twenty times more? Not me.
I got the 20% figure from the Ministry of Justice crime figures not from The Telegraph and it wasn’t about West Yorkshire.

Who said twenty times more?

I didn't accuse you.

Posted too soon, complete with dyslexic word mix up!
Doesn’t it make you wonder? Are we taking any Afghans at all that would rather live here and have the means to get here?

Sorry, that got lost in the post.

Oreo

Posted too soon, complete with dyslexic word mix up!
Doesn’t it make you wonder? Are we taking any Afghans at all that would rather live here and have the means to get here?

I assume that's an acknowledgment of what I wrote.

Whitewavemark2

Violence and thuggery are now manifesting themselves outside accommodation for asylum seekers in Essex.

Police have been injured and protective fencing has been put up.

This happened last summer as a result of incorrect information being given out on SM. escalating into a full scale riot.

One female was imprisoned snd many fined for the nonsense/lies and incitement.

This time it was about alleged assaults on teenage girls in the town.
The migrant hotel there became a magnet for opposing groups. According to radio 4.

Oreo

Whitewavemark2

Violence and thuggery are now manifesting themselves outside accommodation for asylum seekers in Essex.

Police have been injured and protective fencing has been put up.

This happened last summer as a result of incorrect information being given out on SM. escalating into a full scale riot.

One female was imprisoned snd many fined for the nonsense/lies and incitement.

This time it was about alleged assaults on teenage girls in the town.
The migrant hotel there became a magnet for opposing groups. According to radio 4.

But it isn't anything to do with Afghan asylum seekers. This seems to be an attempt to distract from the topic of the thread, which is how Afghan asylum seekers have been/are being treated.

Hang on growstuff 😄
My acknowledgment of what you wrote is thus ( I love that word)
Your post was written as if I had once claimed ‘twenty times’.
It’s easy to quote a poster, as you did me, and immediately follow it with something that sounds as if the person being quoted actually wrote it.
Nevertheless I’m glad you went on to say that it wasn’t.

growstuff

Oreo

Whitewavemark2

Violence and thuggery are now manifesting themselves outside accommodation for asylum seekers in Essex.

Police have been injured and protective fencing has been put up.

This happened last summer as a result of incorrect information being given out on SM. escalating into a full scale riot.

One female was imprisoned snd many fined for the nonsense/lies and incitement.

This time it was about alleged assaults on teenage girls in the town.
The migrant hotel there became a magnet for opposing groups. According to radio 4.

But it isn't anything to do with Afghan asylum seekers. This seems to be an attempt to distract from the topic of the thread, which is how Afghan asylum seekers have been/are being treated.

Do take this up with Whitewavemark2 who introduced this for no real reason that I can see.
It may or may not be anything to do with the subject of Afghan asylum seekers.The Essex hotel used is probably housing a mix of asylum seekers from various countries.