Charlie Kirk shot

Nobody deserves to be murdered, but his death means just the same to me as all the many thousands of deaths by murder

JFK was murdered, so was Martin Luther King, so was John Lennon.
Were their deaths ‘just another murder’

Maybe they were to some people.

I currently find the 'moderate' people completely frightening. I would no more want to be educated by them than fly to the moon.

Galaxy

I currently find the 'moderate' people completely frightening. I would no more want to be educated by them than fly to the moon.

I don't know what you mean. Maybe you could explain.

I would never allow any of my children to be educated by anybody inspired by Charlie Kirk and Turning Point. If I were American I'd home-school or move state rather than allow that to happen.

Kandinsky

*Nobody deserves to be murdered, but his death means just the same to me as all the many thousands of deaths by murder*

JFK was murdered, so was Martin Luther King, so was John Lennon.
Were their deaths ‘just another murder’

Maybe they were to some people.

Yes, they were just other murders.

I loathed Charlie Kirk's politics and ideology. Would you rather I allowed my views about him to colour any emotions I have about his death?

FriedGreenTomatoes2

^But I will not mourn him. He was not a good person^

Oh how CAN you say such a thing Iamaround. He probably was a good person he just had different political viewpoints to yourself is all.

We need to learn tolerance. This vicious polarisation in society is not good.

Lord. He said that immigrants should be whipped. Women shouldn't have the right to vote and only have value as mothers and wives. He said he hoped his pilot wasn't black, because black people aren't smart enough and only get their jobs due to DEI.

He championed violence against the left and those in the LGBTQ community. I will not mourn such an evil person. He was not a Christian. He was a racist bigot.

He, himself advocated violence. So forgive me if I don't give your opinion a lick of care. if he didn't want political violence in this country, then he should have stopped.

Good for you, I can cope with my children listening to all sorts of views, I have had to tolerate the outright misogyny and homophobia that is gender ideology in schools for the last decade, I would argue with my children but would never ever tell them what to think. I hope I have given the skills to deal with all sorts of views.

It is intolerance which is responsible for the murder of this man, of whom I had never heard of previously; the intolerance of the murderer against views with which he/she did not agree.

He was a religious fanatic who believed that the Christian far-right should control government, education, the media, women’s bodies…Heinous man but no-one deserves to be murdered.

imaround

FriedGreenTomatoes2

But I will not mourn him. He was not a good person

Oh how CAN you say such a thing Iamaround. He probably was a good person he just had different political viewpoints to yourself is all.

We need to learn tolerance. This vicious polarisation in society is not good.

Lord. He said that immigrants should be whipped. Women shouldn't have the right to vote and only have value as mothers and wives. He said he hoped his pilot wasn't black, because black people aren't smart enough and only get their jobs due to DEI.

He championed violence against the left and those in the LGBTQ community. I will not mourn such an evil person. He was not a Christian. He was a racist bigot.

He, himself advocated violence. So forgive me if I don't give your opinion a lick of care. if he didn't want political violence in this country, then he should have stopped.

👏👏👏
Brilliant post. Just some of his views that I pointed out to my granddaughter.
I think you can guess her reaction 😡

I fear the “he / she asked for it”

eazybee

It is intolerance which is responsible for the murder of this man, of whom I had never heard of previously; the intolerance of the murderer against views with which he/she did not agree.

Intolerance against extreme intolerance.

I'm surprised you had never heard of him. Turning Point has been hugely influential on campuses in the US, although their influence in the UK has been limited.

I'm not condoning the murder, but I don't feel any special empathy for Charlie Kirk just because he was well-known in the US and influenced Donald Trump.

eazybee

It is intolerance which is responsible for the murder of this man, of whom I had never heard of previously; the intolerance of the murderer against views with which he/she did not agree.

In one. 🎯

Yes J52 that is also possible

J52

Murder is a heinous act in any circumstances. In Utah, the law allows anyone to opened carry a loaded gun without needing a permit.
Thank goodness we have firearm laws in the UK.

Absolutely- plain crazy but they will never do anything about it

What I liked about him was that he was prepared to DEBATE on issues. Sometimes he won people over, other times not. Sometimes he was won over, other times not.

30 years ago you could disagree with someone about politics and still be friends. I wonder of its the safe distance the Internet provides? Some people love to tear into strangers online - safe from physical harm. It has a ramping up effect and soon contaminates what should be polite discourse.

Anniebach

I fear the “he / she asked for it”

Nobody said 'he asked for it's. It's just he was a supporter of a state in which it was likely to happen

REKA

petra

My daughters are not political so this morning one of them phoned me to have a word with my granddaughter.
It appears he is held up by youngsters as the new messiah so my granddaughter was upset.
I put her straight on his beliefs.

You obviously know nothing about Charlie Kirk.

Brilliant debater, interesting, factual

I didn't agree with some of his beliefs but that's really OK.

To put a grandchild straight on his beliefs is awful.

Hopefully they will just see you as being extremely out of touch

Are you suggesting that Petra's grand-daughter should not be given any opposing views REKA, or just not those opposing yours? Interesting to know.

I don't believe anyone deserves to die for their political beliefs or tbh for any crime that they have committed. I abhor everything I know about Charles Kirk's views, I think he was a malevolent force in American politics, with misogynistic , homophobic and racist views presented in a calm, measured, populist way that confirmed people's right to be misogynistic, homophobic and racist. It's a powerful and very popular position because sadly there are lots of misogynistic, homophobic and racist people out there to appeal to and lots of them in the US love their guns! RIP Charles Kirk and RIP every child shot whilst trying to get an education who politicians failed to protect.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

eazybee

It is intolerance which is responsible for the murder of this man, of whom I had never heard of previously; the intolerance of the murderer against views with which he/she did not agree.

In one. 🎯

Can you post the link to where you saw that they know who the killer was and his motive please eazybee, I’ve just been catching up on the news, including on CNN, but I can’t see anywhere that he has been found or that they know what the motive is as yet?

FriedGreenTomatoes2

What I liked about him was that he was prepared to DEBATE on issues. Sometimes he won people over, other times not. Sometimes he was won over, other times not.

Have you ever listened to those debates?

growstuff

Galaxy

I currently find the 'moderate' people completely frightening. I would no more want to be educated by them than fly to the moon.

I don't know what you mean. Maybe you could explain.

I would never allow any of my children to be educated by anybody inspired by Charlie Kirk and Turning Point. If I were American I'd home-school or move state rather than allow that to happen.

I don't understand either.

What is wrong with moderate please?

I understood it to mean not extreme.

imaround

FriedGreenTomatoes2

But I will not mourn him. He was not a good person

Oh how CAN you say such a thing Iamaround. He probably was a good person he just had different political viewpoints to yourself is all.

We need to learn tolerance. This vicious polarisation in society is not good.

Lord. He said that immigrants should be whipped. Women shouldn't have the right to vote and only have value as mothers and wives. He said he hoped his pilot wasn't black, because black people aren't smart enough and only get their jobs due to DEI.

He championed violence against the left and those in the LGBTQ community. I will not mourn such an evil person. He was not a Christian. He was a racist bigot.

He, himself advocated violence. So forgive me if I don't give your opinion a lick of care. if he didn't want political violence in this country, then he should have stopped.

19th June 2025

Charlie Kirk tells 14-year-old girl the main reason women should go to college is to find a husband
Conservative activist Charlie Kirk told a 14-year-old girl her main reason to attend college should be to find a husband.

The founder of Turning Point USA was speaking at his recent Young Women's Leadership Summit in Grapevine, Texas, when a high school freshman asked for his "pros and cons" on attending college, mentioning her aspiration for a career in political journalism.

Kirk, who dropped out of community college in Chicago, responded by advocating for the "MRS degree."

"We should bring back the celebration of MRS degrees," he said. An ‘MRS Degree’ is a slang term for someone who attends a university to find a spouse and become a Mrs.

"College is a scam but if you’re going to find your life partner, that’s actually a really good reason to go to college", he added.

That does not mean I celebrate his death btw.

The 'moderate' people are currently celebrating or at the very least 'explaining' why Kirk died.
If you are so sure the moderate views are right then you should be happy for anyone to hear opposing views.

Apparently a petition garnered nearly 7,000 signatures calling on the faculty at Utah State to bar Charlie Kirk from coming to the Logan campus, where the event was taking place.

“Utah State University has consistently worked toward fostering an inclusive space for all its students and faculty. Letting a figurehead, whose speeches often seem to undermine the essence of inclusivity, use our beloved institution as a platform contradicts this mission,” the petition states.

Well once again - what price debate? It’s just ‘my way or the highway’ according to Utah State University.