This must be a sad day for England

Oreo

Nope, no truth in it at all.TR and his kind will always be just a niche group in the UK.
The British people in the 21st century aren’t Germans from the 1930’s and never will be.
The demonstration on Saturday was just to show their dissatisfaction to government that they must do more to curb immigration.

I hope and pray you are correct 🙏🙏

Babs03

Rampant nationalism, never something to celebrate, is not about what is good about the UK, is all about intolerance, prejudice, and racism, masquerading as national pride.
Yaxley Lennon and his thugs are criminals who have been in and out of jail for GBH, domestic violence, and the inciting violence.
If people want to associate themselves with them is their call but they should know just who and what they are supporting.

Actually brown & black faces in the crowd too, from what footage I could see. Are they racists also?

Mollygo. Thank you for sharing that brilliant post by Steve Lee. It really sums up what the Majority of marchers were there for. The thugs were just a minority but they will always make the headlines
It’s such a shame that these concerned people are being labelled racists especially by some here on GN

Good question, Cossy.

I grew up up in London. All my life I have been hearing this anti-migrant racist b*llshit. We don’t want Italians coming here. We don’t want Greeks coming here, We don’t want Cypriots, We don’t want Turks. We don’t want Irish, West Indians, Indians, Pakistanis, Chinese, Kenyans, Ugandans, Rumanians, Poles, Ukranians … (YL has an Irish mother).

He has been peddling his racist poison for two decades.

Steve Lee can write what he likes about his jolly day out but it was organised by Yaxley Lennon, a man who “exaggerates and twists everything to fit his agenda" and there was violence. Did Steve do any protesting in the previous 14 years? Why not? Why now?

Is Yaxley Lennon rallying the masses? 110,000 to 150,000 at a protest? More people attended four London Premiership football matches on Saturday. Every weekday, over a milllion people commute into central London to work.

Let’s be honest. YL thinks he speaks for white people. 82% of the UK population decribes itself as white British or white other. That’s over 58 million people from a population of 70 million. Where were they on Saturday?

The majority of these protesters wave and drape themselves in the George flag and claim to want to Unite the Kingdom. It’s the England flag. It doesn’t represent Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland although I note reports that there were some flags depicting the saltaire and dragon.

The last time I looked, King Charles was the monarch of the United Kingdom and 14 Commonwealth realms, most of those with predominantly black populations. The combined population of the Kingdom is around 3 billion people.

150,000 people following a notorious racist and convicted felon isn't representing or uniting the Kingdom.

The Union flag has a problematic history. Tim Marshall explains it very well in his book Worth Dying For. The Power and the Politics of Flags. The flag shows Scotland and Northern Ireland as subservient to England. It doesn’t depict Wales at all.

It was around the time of The Troubles in Northern Ireland that the National Front appropriated both flags. Marshall decribes travelling on a bus in Oxford in the 1980s when Leeds United football supporters yelled out of the windows at black people: There’s no black in the Union Jack. Go back home you b*stards. 45 years on, nothing much has changed, has it?

YL and his slavish followers need to design their own flag. If they did, I wonder what it would depict? Perhaps their leader behind bars again or running for the nearest airport every time the police are on his tail.

They can get a different slogan too. They don’t and never will speak for me or the decent majority. The media may salivate over the antics of YL just as they do over Farage. The majority will just screen out their noise and get on with their lives in multi-cultural communites. I’ve been doing that for 70 years.

Would love to know who all the reasonable marchers hope will 'bring their country back ' for them?

I find it very sad that "ordinary"people think they will "unite" behind an organisation which is being led by someone like Tommy Robinson. Tommy Robinson is about division and hatred and although I don't think they are stupid, I do think they should educate themselves with regard to fascism, scapegoating, which is a commonly used tactic by fascists and also what the government has actually been doing to reduce the level of immigration which is a lot more than was done by the previous government.

Oreo

I don’t think knowing the accuracy of numbers attending the protests at the weekend matter, it was a lot. Far more than I thought would turn out and I was surprised to see the Scottish Saltire and the Welsh dragon flags amongst the St George Cross and the Union flags.Some people had come a long way to London.A shame that some had to be angry and violent but there are always a few of those on marches, they go on it to enjoy the anarchy aspect.
Generally speaking for such a huge crowd it was good natured.

I would imagine there are Scottish and Welsh people living in and near London. Not sure the flags prove people travelled a long way.

Maremia

Would love to know who all the reasonable marchers hope will 'bring their country back ' for them?

I suspect it’s a vain hope. Possibly no one really believes or trusts the people in power.

Christina Patterson said on Sky News that some people on the march were carrying some pretty nasty placards. I’d love to know what they said.

According to Steve Lee, apparently there was no racist dimension to the TR demo but people were primarily demonstrating against our "pathetic, useless government".

I am not impressed with our government either but it is not responsible for the complete shambles that we find ourselves in now. We have had 14 years of Conservative incompetence and corruption, leaving every single public service in a parlous state and our economy in tatters. Where were all these voices and flags over the last 14years?

Good point

Eloethan Absolutely right, Well, we know were TR was for quite a lot of the time, in prison for various offences.

Where were all these voices and flags over the last 14years?

Good question Eloethan.

I look forward to the answer.

As predicted, Nigel Farage has announced the defection of Danny Kruger from the Conservative Party to Reform. There’s a press conference going on just now. Kruger will spearhead the way Reform will set up in government….. Old Etonian and Oxbridge. Very good at presentation….

Nigel Farage does the best Muppet expressions…. Kruger must be a coup for Reform?

^ Steve Lee can write what he likes about his jolly day out but it was organised by Yaxley Lennon, a man who “exaggerates and twists everything to fit his agenda" and there was violence. Did Steve do any protesting in the previous 14 years? Why not? Why now?^

I have no idea? Did you?
I think you would probably be correct if you said people don’t know all about or support the organisers of the protest.
I’d never heard of anyone called Yaxley Lennon, until you mentioned him, and from what I’ve now read, I wouldn’t support his views.
The only interesting thing you said about him is that he twists everything to fit his agenda.
He could well be a politician on those grounds.

PaynesGrey

Good question, Cossy.

I grew up up in London. All my life I have been hearing this anti-migrant racist b*llshit. We don’t want Italians coming here. We don’t want Greeks coming here, We don’t want Cypriots, We don’t want Turks. We don’t want Irish, West Indians, Indians, Pakistanis, Chinese, Kenyans, Ugandans, Rumanians, Poles, Ukranians … (YL has an Irish mother).

He has been peddling his racist poison for two decades.

Steve Lee can write what he likes about his jolly day out but it was organised by Yaxley Lennon, a man who “exaggerates and twists everything to fit his agenda" and there was violence. Did Steve do any protesting in the previous 14 years? Why not? Why now?

Is Yaxley Lennon rallying the masses? 110,000 to 150,000 at a protest? More people attended four London Premiership football matches on Saturday. Every weekday, over a milllion people commute into central London to work.

Let’s be honest. YL thinks he speaks for white people. 82% of the UK population decribes itself as white British or white other. That’s over 58 million people from a population of 70 million. Where were they on Saturday?

The majority of these protesters wave and drape themselves in the George flag and claim to want to Unite the Kingdom. It’s the England flag. It doesn’t represent Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland although I note reports that there were some flags depicting the saltaire and dragon.

The last time I looked, King Charles was the monarch of the United Kingdom and 14 Commonwealth realms, most of those with predominantly black populations. The combined population of the Kingdom is around 3 billion people.

150,000 people following a notorious racist and convicted felon isn't representing or uniting the Kingdom.

The Union flag has a problematic history. Tim Marshall explains it very well in his book Worth Dying For. The Power and the Politics of Flags. The flag shows Scotland and Northern Ireland as subservient to England. It doesn’t depict Wales at all.

It was around the time of The Troubles in Northern Ireland that the National Front appropriated both flags. Marshall decribes travelling on a bus in Oxford in the 1980s when Leeds United football supporters yelled out of the windows at black people: There’s no black in the Union Jack. Go back home you b*stards. 45 years on, nothing much has changed, has it?

YL and his slavish followers need to design their own flag. If they did, I wonder what it would depict? Perhaps their leader behind bars again or running for the nearest airport every time the police are on his tail.

They can get a different slogan too. They don’t and never will speak for me or the decent majority. The media may salivate over the antics of YL just as they do over Farage. The majority will just screen out their noise and get on with their lives in multi-cultural communites. I’ve been doing that for 70 years.

Great reply and I agree absolutely with it all

Mollygo

^ Steve Lee can write what he likes about his jolly day out but it was organised by Yaxley Lennon, a man who “exaggerates and twists everything to fit his agenda" and there was violence. Did Steve do any protesting in the previous 14 years? Why not? Why now?^

I have no idea? Did you?
I think you would probably be correct if you said people don’t know all about or support the organisers of the protest.
I’d never heard of anyone called Yaxley Lennon, until you mentioned him, and from what I’ve now read, I wouldn’t support his views.
The only interesting thing you said about him is that he twists everything to fit his agenda.
He could well be a politician on those grounds.

Are you saying you’ve never heard of Tommy Robinson? One of Yaxley's aliases?

Just a small point, people of all colours can be racist.

And if somebody believes in living a quiet life and values fairness, why do they consistently start threads which provoke dischord?

Eloethan

According to Steve Lee, apparently there was no racist dimension to the TR demo but people were primarily demonstrating against our "pathetic, useless government".

I am not impressed with our government either but it is not responsible for the complete shambles that we find ourselves in now. We have had 14 years of Conservative incompetence and corruption, leaving every single public service in a parlous state and our economy in tatters. Where were all these voices and flags over the last 14years?

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It's a shame Steve Lee didn't get to hear the speeches. Perhaps he could have commented on Elon Musk telling them that 'the left' were murderers and that violence was coming to them that they'd have to fight back against it or die.

Was he calling for violent revolution?

edition.cnn.com/2025/09/14/uk/elon-musk-uk-government-far-right-rally-intl

There seems to be some international confusion as to the purpose of the march (which really mirrors our own confusion)

Gulf News labels it as an anti immigration march

gulfnews.com/world/europe/whats-happening-in-the-uk-musks-fight-back-or-die-speech-escalates-london-rally-rhetoric-1.500268725

Fox news seems to think it was to honour Charlie Kirk

www.foxnews.com/world/charlie-kirk-honored-generations-greatest-massive-london-rally-where-musk-condemns-left

I would like to know what Israel, American (I presume Mr Lee means USA) and other national flags were doing on a 'Unite the UK' march...

Thee is no doubt that Mr Lee had a great time. Large crowds of like minded people usually are very sociable and uplifting.

I’d never heard of anyone called Yaxley Lennon, until you mentioned him, and from what I’ve now read, I wouldn’t support his views

Seriously Mollygo?

Perhaps you might want to look up Tommy Robinson on Wikipedia.

Pleased to know I'm not the only one confused as to what people were marching for! Tbh I don't think many of those marching did either and if they didn't hear the speeches they would be none the wiser.

FYI Mollygo:

Born:
Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon

Other names:
Tommy Robinson
Andrew McMaster
Paul Harris
Wayne King
Stephen Lennon

Source: Wikipedia

Mm, interesting… Stephen Lennon (Steve Lee???) 🤔 Just saying 🤔

StripeyGran

Just a small point, people of all colours can be racist.

And if somebody believes in living a quiet life and values fairness, why do they consistently start threads which provoke dischord?

It’s not a small point*StripeyGran*, it’s massive and for once I agree with you! 🤣

I have spoken on here many times about the racism I have personally witnessed over several years between Asians and West Indians. Many, many times I had to act as go between otherwise no work would have got done.

In more recent years when we had loads of East Europeans working here and there were frequently fights between eg Polish and Lithuanians or Albanians.

Some people wrongly assume that it is black versus white and it really isn’t. They also can’t understand that a person of colour should not support the dinghy people but many do because they struggled to come here legally and think it is very unfair.

Read about the history of Luton Town MIGs. (Men in Gear). They were Luton Town football hooligans.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luton_Town_MIGs

The real Tommy Robinson was a prominent member and has published two books about his 25 year engagement in football violence.

Yaxley Lennon admires him so much he took his name.

Whenever he is arrested, charged and prosecuted it is as Stephen Yaxley Lennon.