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This must be a sad day for England

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BlueBelle Sat 13-Sept-25 16:01:07

More than 100,000 people in central London have joined a march organised by far-right activist Tommy Robinson

I ll say no more it’s devastating for this country

growstuff Sun 14-Sept-25 10:16:58

petra

growstuff
As your aware not all Muslim Marriages are conducted as your daughters was.
This solicitor claims ( from her own experience) that over 80% of British Muslims age under 30 have an unregistered Muslim marriage.
The consequences of this can be devastating.

www.ainakhanlaw.com/muslim-marriage-project-survey/

That link just proves what I wrote. Sharia weddings are worth nothing in UK law. The weddings themselves are conducted in exactly the same way my daughter's was - the difference is that my daughter had a civil wedding with registrar as well.

The intellectually challenged wombats who claim that Sharia Law is taking over are talking nonsense. Sharia Law never supersedes UK law. It sounds as though some Muslims need to be educated about the legality of weddings, but no non-Muslim would ever want a Sharia wedding.

theworriedwell Sun 14-Sept-25 10:18:26

Babs03

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

Lest we forget what the car right are famous or infamous for.

That poem came to my mind and then there it was.

theworriedwell Sun 14-Sept-25 10:22:33

Are not legal marriages that different to couples deciding g they don't need a legal marriages which isn't unusual. I have got children, two are married, two are in long term stable relationships with children, mortgages etc. I look at my sons partners and think they don't have the protection of marriage and generally it is the woman who is vulnerable if it all goes wrong.

TerriBull Sun 14-Sept-25 10:26:04

I'm agreeing with various points made by MOnica and Whitewave but particularly in regard to a lofty elite which encompasses many walks of life and are so removed from much of the electorate.

Farage, who has a way of resonating and connecting and possibly that was best illustrated in his own triumph over sneery Dame Alison Rose when he was de banked and scored a resounding victory over her unbelievable own goal when she nailed herself by her stupid indiscretion. I have to admit in that context I was very much on team Farage, whilst highlighting his own dilemma he then brought into the public domain how many others had suffered the same fate, without a bank account it's impossible to operate in this day and age, but worst of all why are banks even there as moral arbiters they are nobody's friend and in many contexts their behaviour, not just recently but often historically, has been completely immoral.

Would I trust Farage in government though? almost certainly not, there's no way I would consider that Reform had the wherewithal to run the country, but then perhaps that accusation could be levied at the present and previous administration. It's very easy to imbue the public with all the answers when the opposition, which right now is Reform, are on the ascendant, until the reality of being at the helm kicks in.

My opinion of the Farages and the Tommy Robinsons is they are a 21st century versions of Watt Tyler spearheading the peasants who are still revolting and they always will be when the seat of power doesn't listen, we don't have to go back to the 14th century to know that's a fact, but Starmer could be swept away just as Richard ll was by Henry Bolingbroke. I don't know why politicians don't heed the lessons of history, the revolutions in France and Russia both so bloody, didn't end well for the rulers there. Although I tend to think that the British aren't quite as reactionary as say the French nevertheless with the number of agent provocateurs from both ends of the political spectrum I believe there is a gathering momentum of discontent which threatens to boil over which of course is worrying.

Farage whether one likes it or not has a certain charisma as opposed to Starmer's grey automaton delivery which isn't particularly inspiring, neither have both he and his ministers, with their entitlement as to freebies. Lord Alli of the freebie debacle, is again in the news, just like his namesake Rasharna Ali, previous Homelessness Minister has also excelled himself recently in evicting tenants before hiking the rent. They both know the legislation regarding that coming down the line, but hey ho, all that, well it's for the little people. It's the political elite once again their duplicity and hypocrisy knows no bounds, do they think they can keep these matters out of the public domain? Fools! they besmirch their party and the decent MPs because whatever we assume, there are some.

I think one of the worst things about this government thus far, is the financial incompetence of the Chancellor, Rachel Reeves, there doesn't seem to be anybody in government who has run a small to medium size business, and they certainly aren't listening to the advice from the business sector. Productivity doesn't come from lawyers, academics or trade unionists.

Kandinsky Sun 14-Sept-25 10:27:08

Thing about that poem is, many on the march yesterday fear that the Muslim culture is taking over the country.
And as many Muslims are extremely conservative ( you could even say ‘far right’ ) in their views, not wanting homosexuality spoken about in schools, their views on women etc - maybe Tommy Robinson is more on your side than you think.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 14-Sept-25 10:32:05

Good post TerriBull I think you have nailed the current situation.

LizzieDrip Sun 14-Sept-25 10:33:38

Apparently the organisers of yesterday’s march have decided to have religion on their side.

Wooden crosses were handed out to the crowd; a chant of ‘Christ is king’ and a public rendition of the Lord’s Prayer were led from the stage.

I wonder what Christian GNetters and Church leaders feel about this?

I suppose Yaxley Lennon and his thousands of protesters will all be church today.

growstuff Sun 14-Sept-25 10:34:00

theworriedwell

Are not legal marriages that different to couples deciding g they don't need a legal marriages which isn't unusual. I have got children, two are married, two are in long term stable relationships with children, mortgages etc. I look at my sons partners and think they don't have the protection of marriage and generally it is the woman who is vulnerable if it all goes wrong.

Yes, you're correct. Marriage does give some legal protections and I'm not sure that people are aware how vulnerable they are without one. It's not just Muslims who are affected.

growstuff Sun 14-Sept-25 10:36:01

LizzieDrip

Apparently the organisers of yesterday’s march have decided to have religion on their side.

Wooden crosses were handed out to the crowd; a chant of ‘Christ is king’ and a public rendition of the Lord’s Prayer were led from the stage.

I wonder what Christian GNetters and Church leaders feel about this?

I suppose Yaxley Lennon and his thousands of protesters will all be church today.

I guess that aligns them more closely with their right-wing "cousins" in the US. Horrific!

theworriedwell Sun 14-Sept-25 10:37:15

LizzieDrip

Apparently the organisers of yesterday’s march have decided to have religion on their side.

Wooden crosses were handed out to the crowd; a chant of ‘Christ is king’ and a public rendition of the Lord’s Prayer were led from the stage.

I wonder what Christian GNetters and Church leaders feel about this?

I suppose Yaxley Lennon and his thousands of protesters will all be church today.

So they support some religions that hail from the middle east and not others. I wonder if they would welcome Jesus.

LizzieDrip Sun 14-Sept-25 10:37:25

in church

Babs03 Sun 14-Sept-25 10:38:07

Anniebach

Agree * Primrose* I didn’t like the questioning of the intelligence of those taking part

Annie you are aware that Tommy Robinson (Yaxley Lennon) and his ilk are antisemitic and Holocaust deniers?
Jewish leaders in London recently asked for TR to not be allowed to join a march against anti semitism for this very reason.
Am mystified by your responses for this reason.

theworriedwell Sun 14-Sept-25 10:39:22

Yes Growstuff and I do hope that my son's would behave as I expect if anything goes wrong and I'm glad my DD has the protection of marriage.

Babs03 Sun 14-Sept-25 10:39:56

Kandinsky

Thing about that poem is, many on the march yesterday fear that the Muslim culture is taking over the country.
And as many Muslims are extremely conservative ( you could even say ‘far right’ ) in their views, not wanting homosexuality spoken about in schools, their views on women etc - maybe Tommy Robinson is more on your side than you think.

Well, nice to know why you support TR.
Thus is an Islamophobic response btw but won’t report it because is good to see your true colours.

foxie48 Sun 14-Sept-25 10:42:16

Galaxy

Because they looked at what the other side has to offer and say, and made a choice.

But what is the choice? This is what totally mystifies me and I'm yet to see anyone giving a response, except "I am sure they knew why they were there". I still don't know why they were there. Comparing Tommy Robinson and Farage to Wat Tyler is IMO a bit of a joke, both TR and Farage are funded by wealthy people on the far right of politics, TR has received money from Elon Musk and Tristan Tate amongst others. Farage has received £5m from donors who represent businesses like fossil fuels, financial services, tax havens etc poor Wat Tyler must be turning in his grave! The poor and dispossessed should ask themselves if their modern day hero's are being funded by people who care absolutely nothing for the poor, what's in it for them?

growstuff Sun 14-Sept-25 10:43:49

Kandinsky

Thing about that poem is, many on the march yesterday fear that the Muslim culture is taking over the country.
And as many Muslims are extremely conservative ( you could even say ‘far right’ ) in their views, not wanting homosexuality spoken about in schools, their views on women etc - maybe Tommy Robinson is more on your side than you think.

Eh? Who is "your" as in "your side"?

If that was directed at me, I don't take sides. I'm certainly not on the "Muslim side".

I would hope most of us are beyond thinking only in black and white or "my team" versus "your team" as in a football match.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 14-Sept-25 10:46:18

I see Musk’s call was for a Revolution.

Well good luck with that😄.

Don’t forget that it was financed largely by wealthy Americans who would support people like Kirk and other Christian nationalists, nd of course Trump, so the giving out of crosses should be no surprise, although I suspect they were a surprise to most of those on the demonstration 😄

Primrose53 Sun 14-Sept-25 10:46:37

StripeyGran

Primrose53

I noticed most of the counter protestors, as usual, had their faces covered. Black masks as usual.

Because somebody will come after them and kick the out of them? Possibly?

Ridiculous.

ronib Sun 14-Sept-25 10:47:44

The website Conservative Woman has a video of Tommy Robinson addressing the crowd yesterday. Worth checking out.

growstuff Sun 14-Sept-25 10:51:13

Whitewavemark2

I see Musk’s call was for a Revolution.

Well good luck with that😄.

Don’t forget that it was financed largely by wealthy Americans who would support people like Kirk and other Christian nationalists, nd of course Trump, so the giving out of crosses should be no surprise, although I suspect they were a surprise to most of those on the demonstration 😄

Probably influenced by Jayda Fransen and her supporters.

Galaxy Sun 14-Sept-25 10:54:43

Every women involved in the gender debate knows what protesters wearing masks mean. If those are the people on that side then again not for me.
The debate is as far as I can see lost, but if there is any chance of winning it maybe disparaging flags and crosses isn't the way to go.

CariadAgain Sun 14-Sept-25 10:56:20

Maremia

It's not even his real name.

Can't say I'm a fan of the guy - but I do think it shows a total lack of understanding of the thinking that newspapers can't resist putting his deadname up beside it. I don't know what background he comes from - but I guess the point the papers are trying to make is "not yours" to many of the marchers. He self-identifies as working class and picked a name to match - and, as far as I can see, he is accepted as what he wishes to be iyswim.

On the other hand - think of Tony Benn back in the day - and he was accepted as what he self-identified as. Or there was the Lord I knew (vaguely) way back when and cue for he gave a lot of it away and I recall him giving me a long lift in a perfectly ordinary car and him requesting I made us a packed lunch for my petrol money - his voice and his posture gave him away - but he was accepted.

That doesn't actually work as a way of thinking to say "Na na na - I've exposed you". Because - from what I see up on Youtube videos for instance - people expect to be accepted and are accepted as their "chosen background". There's two younger Pakistani women that I think were born in England and they both certainly regard themselves as "British" and that is how they are regarded/treated - because that's the way they act and speak (yep...they've integrated in other words). There's an Iranian man as well that has spent most of his life here and describes himself as British and I grin every time he refers to "us British" and puts up yet another Union Jack flag - and he is obviously accepted as British iyswim though his parents arent.

CariadAgain Sun 14-Sept-25 11:01:35

FriedGreenTomatoes2

65 Sharia courts in England for a start. Reported in the Daily Mail yesterday. I mentioned them months ago and was shot down on here. We should ALL be bound by only one law in the UK. A Muslim professor was saying the same thing on television a few days ago. He was horrified by their existence HERE. Totally unnecessary he said even for civil disputes amongst neighbours and cousins.

I've never really understood just why they've introduced their Sharia courts here. I've heard some Muslims say they want that for us too - and there's the "short walk off the long bridge" route for them to take. We will never take them seriously - and I'm very surprised any of them do. I just see them as puppet debating chambers for men with blown-up opinions of themselves and, even if I were the only British person left in Britain, I literally wouldnt attend and would just ignore anything they said and think "Proper justice in proper courts - or forget it...".

Whitewavemark2 Sun 14-Sept-25 11:03:32

Quite interesting to speculate how many of the protestors and supporters of the populist movement , will suddenly “find god”

Perhaps that will be the next movement. I suppose they will be welcome by the evangelical movement in the U.K.

CariadAgain Sun 14-Sept-25 11:09:35

Aveline

Ask yourselves what has provoked the Islamophobia? Something has. We have many people of other faiths and religions here but who do not make such demands or make such provocative statements as some Muslim groups do but just quietly get on with living.
This Yaxley Lennon person is not very impressive but he's certainly struck a nerve with many, many people no matter how much opprobrium is piled on him.

Quite!

Over my lifetime I've been quite happy taking part in Buddhist, Sikh and pagan things - as they seem to just "share" their ways and don't push it. Cue for "Thanks very much - I'll join in and share with you then..." on my part.