Genocide is being committed in Gaza by Israel

I watched the BBC programme last night and although knowing what is happening in Gaza it was hard to see.

Trump will address the UN assembly today after peddling misinformation about vaccines and paracetamol. How can anyone take this man seriously. He will carry on supporting Israel in the face of so many countries supporting a state of Palestine.

I’d forgotten the Mossad connect, but I do now remember reading about it.

People like Trump and Johnson for that matter are such easy meat for the spooks.

@foxie, yes the evidence is compelling, so compelling now that only those who support genocide would seek to fly in the Face of this.
And the very fact that Mahmoud Abbas is not allowed to speak at the UN in person is just insupportable and speaks to how dangerously biased Trump is.

The Conversation

What does it mean to recognise Palestine?

Recognising Palestine means acknowledging the existence of a state that represents the Palestinian people. Following from that, it also means that the recogniser can develop full diplomatic relations with representatives of this state – which would include exchanging embassies or negotiating government-level agreements.

Why have these countries moved together – and why now?

Diplomatic recognition, when done in concert, carries more heft than isolated gestures – and governments know this. A year or so ago, Spain tried to get European Union members to recognise Palestine together and when this was not possible opted to coordinate its recognition with Norway and Ireland only. Further away, a cluster of Caribbean countries (Barbados, Jamaica, Trinidad and Tobago, the Bahamas) also recognised Palestine around the same time.

By acting together, countries amplify the message that Palestinian statehood is not a fringe idea, but a legitimate aspiration backed by a growing international consensus. This collective recognition also serves to shield individual governments from accusations of unilateralism or political opportunism.

This wave of recognition comes now because of concern that Palestinian statehood is under threat, perhaps more than ever before. In their recognition statements, the UK and Canada cited Israel’s settlements in the West Bank in their reasoning.

The Israeli government has also revealed plans that amount to annexing Gaza, the other area that ought to belong to Palestinians. This is after months of assault on its people, which the UN commission of inquiry on the occupied Palestinian Territories and Israel found amounts to genocide. Public sentiment has also shifted dramatically in support of Palestine, adding to the pressure on governments.

Why do some say recognition isn’t legal?

Israel and some of its allies argue that the recognition is illegal because Palestine lacks the attributes of a functioning state, such as full control of its territory or a centralised government. Legal opinion on whether Palestine meets the criteria of statehood is divided. But, regardless, these criteria are not consistently used to recognise states.

In fact, many states have been recognised well before they had complete control over their borders or institutions. Ironically, the US recognised Israel in 1948, refuting critics that this was premature due to the lack of clear borders. Recognition has, therefore, always been political.

But even if we take a more legal perspective, the international community, through numerous UN and other texts has long recognised the right of Palestinians to have a state of their own.

Does recognition ‘reward Hamas’, as Israel claims?

Recognising a state does not mean you recognise those who govern it. At the moment, for example, many states do not recognise Taliban rule, but this doesn’t mean they have stopped recognising the existence of Afghanistan as a state.

Similarly, the fact that Netanyahu is under arrest warrant of the International Criminal Court for war crimes and crimes against humanity has not resulted in states withdrawing their recognition of the state of Israel and its people. Recognising a state is not the same as endorsing a specific government.

Not only that but all of the states that recently recognised Palestine have explicitly said that Hamas must play no role in a future government. France said that although it recognises the state of Palestine it won’t open an embassy until Hamas releases the hostages.

The Conversation cont.

Will recognition make a difference?

The past few years have laid bare the limits of diplomacy in stopping the horrific human catastrophe unfolding in Gaza. This doesn’t leave much room for optimism. And, in a way, states taking brave diplomatic steps are, at the same time, exposing their reluctance to take more concrete action, such as sanctions, to press the government of Israel to end its war.

Still, the recognition brings the potential for snowball effects that would enhance the Palestinians’ international standing. They will be able to work more substantively with those governments who now recognise their state. More states may now also recognise Palestine, motivated by the fact others did the same.

And more recognition means better access to international forums, aid and legal instruments. For example, the UN’s recognition of Palestine as an observer state in 2011 allowed the International Court of Justice to hear South Africa’s case accusing Israel of genocide and the International Criminal Court to issue an arrest warrant for Netanyahu.

The implications for the Israeli government and some of its allies could also be significant. The US will now be isolated as the only permanent member of the UN Security Council not recognising Palestine. States that do not recognise Palestine will be in a dissenting minority and more exposed to critiques in international forums and public opinion.

This growing isolation may not force immediate changes and may not bother the current US administration, which often does not follow the logic of traditional diplomacy. Still, over time, the pressure on Israel and its allies to engage with a peace process may grow.

In the end, recognition from some of the world’s biggest players breaks their longstanding alignment with consecutive Israeli governments. It shows how strongly their public and governments feel about Israel’s threat to Palestinian statehood through annexation and occupation. For Palestinians, recognition strengthens their political and moral standing. For the government of Israel, it does the opposite.

But recognition alone is not enough. It must be accompanied by sustained efforts to end the war in Gaza, hold perpetrators of violence accountable and revive peace efforts towards ending the occupation and allow Palestinians their rightful sovereignty alongside Israel.

23/09/25

I can’t do links on the iPad, but I think that it worth bunging it on in full, as it might encourage those to read who don’t always bother with links (I of course am not guilty of that🙄😳)

Thank you WWM for taking the time and effort to post this .

Babs03 Abbas is speaking at the UN via a video link. His message will be heard.

I read that Iran’s clerics have been banned from buying luxury or other goods from New York stores during their stay. The art of the small gesture?

ronib

Babs03 Abbas is speaking at the UN via a video link. His message will be heard.

I read that Iran’s clerics have been banned from buying luxury or other goods from New York stores during their stay. The art of the small gesture?

It’s a pity that the US got cold feet about Iran, they needed to go further and may come to regret not doing enough when they had the chance.

Thanks for the info WWM

Thank you Whitewave. Very informative.

A lot to think about. Thanks.

Trump is speaking soon at the UN so there may be a change of plan re Iran? Oreo
Did anyone see Macron having to walk rather than be chauffeured in New York? Is this even possible?

ronib

Trump is speaking soon at the UN so there may be a change of plan re Iran? Oreo
Did anyone see Macron having to walk rather than be chauffeured in New York? Is this even possible?

Do you suppose Trump will say anything worthwhile about anything?
Or have any kind of plan?
Of course he will pontificate and about how so and so is a ‘nasty person’ and how someone else ‘is great’.
But don’t get your hopes up.

Trump will give us his 'vision for the world'. I wonder what that will be?

Well he didn't disappoint! 15 minute speech went on for an hour of Trump telling Europe that their countries are being destroyed by unmanaged immigration, the UK has rewarded Hamas by recognising the state of Palestine and yet another attack on the Mayor of London, who is a "terrible" mayor and London wants to have "sharia" law. Oh and the UN is useless! TBH no one needs to listen to Trump's rambling, just go for Trump lite and listen to Farage, who I actually think is still capable of sane thought but only if you want to live in a country shaped by Farage and I don't!

He has told us that he is the greatest man in the world that his country is the greatest in the world thanks to him and he doesn't flinch when children are being killed in Gaza with weapons supplied by him. What a man!

“The majority of Gaza’s frozen embryos have been destroyed
If you, or someone you love, has ever had fertility issues, you will know just how heavy an emotional toll they can take. IVF, in particular, is not easy. You have to inject yourself with hormones. Then you undergo anaesthesia and have an operation to retrieve the eggs. Then the embryos are made. Finally, you implant the embryos. It’s a long, expensive and involved process that can take a physical and emotional toll. At the end, you hope it’ll all be worth it. At the end, you hope there will be a baby.

For many families in Gaza, those hopes were permanently wiped out by one Israeli missile strike. In December, an Israeli shell, possibly provided by the US, hit Gaza City’s largest fertility clinic, the Al Basma IVF centre. The explosion, according to a Reuters piece that came out this week, “blasted the lids off five liquid nitrogen tanks stored in a corner of the embryology unit”. More than 4,000 embryos were destroyed, along with 1,000 more specimens of sperm and unfertilized eggs.

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One single strike. That’s all it took. One single strike and thousands of potential lives were wiped out. For at least half of the couples who were patients at the clinic, many of whom had saved up for years to afford treatments, those embryos were their last chance to get pregnant, Bahaeldeen Ghalayini, the obstetrician who established the clinic, told Reuters.

Why would Israel bomb a fertility center? The Israeli military’s press desk told Reuters that it would look into it. Judging by Israel’s record of looking into its own actions, you shouldn’t hold your breath waiting for answers. No doubt Israel will just say it received special intelligence that at least 25% of those embryos were going to grow up to be terrorists. Whatever the press desk says, if it bothers saying anything, it won’t make a difference to the Biden administration. Israeli leaders have made a litany of genocidal statements and the US government is still sending a never-ending supply of unconditional aid.”
Not a recent event but one I hadn’t heard of till the day. And it saddens me and sums up the IDF attitude towards the Palestinians. I find it sad beyond belief in a way I can’t find the words for…

On that atrocious day of 07:10:23 I remember Netanyahu making his statement in response to the abhorrent actions of Hamas. I watched and listened to the translation.in real time.

At the time there was something, I wasn't sure why, except perhaps because I was so shocked by the events, I missed or didn't take in from what he said.
That stuck with me.

Two days ago, I don't know why I didn't do so sooner, I decided to read the transcript of Netanyahu's speech put on the official Israeli government website by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

This is the entirety of what Netanyahu said with regard to the people taken hostage:
'We are all praying for the well-being of the wounded and all those who are being held hostage, I say to Hamas:you are responsible for their well-being. Israel will settle account with anyone who harms one hair on their heads.'

Is something missing here?

With regard to the civilian population living in Gaza this is the entirety of what he said:
'I say to the residents of Gaza: Leave now because we will operate forcefully everywhere'.

A warning then, advice, more ?

How could they leave? They have nowhere to go? Even their coastline isn’t their.

Then, Maybee, that statement I quoted from Netanyahu is somewhat curious then, is it not?

And the first I quoted too?

foxie48

Well he didn't disappoint! 15 minute speech went on for an hour of Trump telling Europe that their countries are being destroyed by unmanaged immigration, the UK has rewarded Hamas by recognising the state of Palestine and yet another attack on the Mayor of London, who is a "terrible" mayor and London wants to have "sharia" law. Oh and the UN is useless! TBH no one needs to listen to Trump's rambling, just go for Trump lite and listen to Farage, who I actually think is still capable of sane thought but only if you want to live in a country shaped by Farage and I don't!

He says some crazy stuff at times but also things with nuggets of truth in them.
Europe is being destroyed by unmanaged immigration, the UN is useless and it was a bad move by the UK to hand a ‘victory’ to hamas by recognition of a State of Palestine with no strings attached such as the handover of all hostages.

Trump just parrots Netanyahu. Nobody is handing Hamas a victory and they know it as do all the countries who have recognised Palestine as a state.
Those countries do not want to be complicit in genocide.
The US is complicit. Trump is only interested in Gaza as a money making project and making peace would not be in his plan.
The US and Israel have blood on their hands as does Hamas but they were defeated months ago and yet the killing continues.

No government in Gaza, why talk of a ceasefire? Who can agree or disagree?

Hamas can agree as they've done previously Annie.