Genocide is being committed in Gaza by Israel

Oreo

I’ll dismiss the personal attack Whitewavemark2 as I have come to expect nothing less from you.

I certainly don’t trust many of the opinions from doctors in Gaza for many reasons.

That's fine and just your opinion but there will be many who will believe the doctors.

Oreo

I’ll dismiss the personal attack Whitewavemark2 as I have come to expect nothing less from you.

I certainly don’t trust many of the opinions from doctors in Gaza for many reasons.

Not a big supporter of medicine sans frontier then?

That’s a loaded question.There are many good doctors who participate in third world countries or anywhere that has a state of emergency.
There will be many such working in Gaza, but there will also be doctors with Palestinian sympathies who are politically engaged as well.

Oreo

I’ll dismiss the personal attack Whitewavemark2 as I have come to expect nothing less from you.

I certainly don’t trust many of the opinions from doctors in Gaza for many reasons.

What is interesting in this is that neither of the two main players want a two state solution.

Both for not such different reasons either. Both want to retain control over Gaza and keep the PA -who is the authority that the Arab world respects - out.

How do you know that Oreo. Is it just another assumption without any evidence?

Oreo

That’s a loaded question.There are many good doctors who participate in third world countries or anywhere that has a state of emergency.
There will be many such working in Gaza, but there will also be doctors with Palestinian sympathies who are politically engaged as well.

Why shouldn’t the doctors be sympathetic to the Palestinians?

I am sympathetic to the Palestinians - and I think you will find that the UN is sympathetic to the Palestinians as are many many millions of the worlds population.

I might add that I am also sympathetic to the worlds Jews having to live with the repercussions of such a criminal government as Israel.

Many Jews in Israel and elsewhere are glad that the Israeli government is taking such a hard line in Gaza.If it wasn’t for the hostage situation you wouldn’t find many Israelis complaining either.
Sympathy for Palestinians is a different thing to having Palestinian political sympathies btw.Apples and pears.

We can listen to how upset Jewish people are. I was listening to a British Jewish lady who had phoned in on a chat show, who was appalled at Netanyahu and what was happening to Gaza - her phone call was one of empathy, and kindness as she reached out to Palestinians.

Empathy and kindness won’t rid Gaza of the vile hamas, that’s the thing.They have to go, and at the moment are still hanging on.Don’t think it will be too long now tho.

Oreo

The thing is we just don’t know do we AGAA4 and the ones working there must have some kind of affinity with Palestinians or they wouldn’t be there.
Two of the returned hostages were kept in the home of a medical doctor.

If only the world’s journalists were allowed in to Gaza to shine a spotlight on what’s happening, then we wouldn’t have to rely on Hamas or Israel or (God forbid) doctors!

I wonder why Israel doesn’t want a spotlight shone on what they’re doing🤔

People can be "politically engaged" but it doesn't necessarily turn them into liars neither does finding a few doctors with extreme ideas tarnish the reputations of all doctors. This is just using stereotyping to prop up a weak argument. I have heard several British doctors report on the inhumanity that they have seen with their own eyes but I have yet to find any evidence that they are telling lies. If anyone has "evidence" this is an opportunity to show it.

Exactly LizzieDrip. If they were conducting the war by the rules they wouldn't need to hide from journalists. This brutal Israeli regime has slaughtered thousands of innocents and thought they would get away with it if nobody was watching.
Unfortunately for them there are always ways and means to get news out and the world has been watching.

Whitewavemark2

Nothing could have be so graphically stated as looking at the empty hall and Israel’s isolation.

I disagree.
The sainted (posturing, ineffectual) UN behaving like the 3 wise monkeys.
Childish behaviour.

Golda Meir (Prime Minister of Israel 1969-1974) said this:
“When peace comes we will perhaps in time be able to forgive them for killing our sons, but it will be harder for us to forgive them for having forced us to kill their sons. Peace will come when they love their children more than they hate us.”

These wonderfully astute words reveal the unbridgeable moral chasm between Israel and the Palestinians.

Tragically, the Palestinian apologists are too blinkered by their irrational antisemitism to accept this simple but profound truth.

foxie48

People can be "politically engaged" but it doesn't necessarily turn them into liars neither does finding a few doctors with extreme ideas tarnish the reputations of all doctors. This is just using stereotyping to prop up a weak argument. I have heard several British doctors report on the inhumanity that they have seen with their own eyes but I have yet to find any evidence that they are telling lies. If anyone has "evidence" this is an opportunity to show it.

Good post

Dr Rahmeh Aladwan brings her profession into disrepute.

Her social media posts and words are causing suspicion to be cast on others who are doing wonderful work in Gaza.

It was a great speech by Netanyahu. Those who walked out should be ashamed. Imagine being so determined not to hear the truth.

Oreo

That’s a loaded question.There are many good doctors who participate in third world countries or anywhere that has a state of emergency.
There will be many such working in Gaza, but there will also be doctors with Palestinian sympathies who are politically engaged as well.

Well it was a loaded question, you’re right about that, but it frustrates me when you and others of course see anyone who has an affinity with the long suffering Palestinians or just deeply sympathise with them and understand their struggle politically as somehow sympathetic to Hamas or antisemitic.
The Palestinian struggle went on long before Hamas and will no doubt go on long afterwards, and I do support them in that struggle without supporting Hamas or any group using violence against innocent Israelis. A lot of people feel the same.
Nobody is dismissing the struggle of the Israeli people either, but right now their government is not being victimised but is in a position of power and are abusing that power daily..

Correction - is abusing that power daily.

Trump it seems isn't wrong about the UN. 👏

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Golda Meir (Prime Minister of Israel 1969-1974) said this:
“When peace comes we will perhaps in time be able to forgive them for killing our sons, but it will be harder for us to forgive them for having forced us to kill their sons. Peace will come when they love their children more than they hate us.”

These wonderfully astute words reveal the unbridgeable moral chasm between Israel and the Palestinians.

Tragically, the Palestinian apologists are too blinkered by their irrational antisemitism to accept this simple but profound truth.

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"There was no such thing as Palestinians" is part of a widely repeated statement by Golda Meir, the then Israeli prime minister, in her second month in office, made in an interview with Frank Giles, then deputy editor of The Sunday Times on June 15, 1969, to mark the second anniversary of the Six-Day War.

Meir in 1969
It is considered to be the most famous example of Israeli denial of a distinct Palestinian identity.[1] The quote has been frequently used to illustrate Israel's denial of Palestinian history, and is considered to sum up the Palestinians' sense of victimization by Israel.[2] It is considered to be a successor to the early Christian Zionist phrase "A land without a people for a people without a land".[3]

We can all find quotes made by Golda Meir.
Not all will suit your mindset though FGT.

FGT The UN is a collaboration of 193 countries which have signed up to the following (taken from AI)
"to uphold the principles and purposes of the UN Charter, which include maintaining international peace and security, developing friendly relations, achieving international cooperation on global issues, and promoting human rights. By signing the Charter, a member state accepts its obligations and pledges to settle disputes peacefully, ensuring the rights and benefits of membership are secured for all states"
Unfortunately, the UN relies on the cooperation of member states and we have three members who currently do not do this. ie The US, Israel and Russia. It doesn't help that the US and Russia are members of the UN security council and that the US has welcomed Netanyahu to the US when Netanyahu has an arrest warrant issued against him by the International Criminal Court. I think it would be more accurate to blame those countries that are ignoring what they agreed to when they signed up to the UN. If they don't agree perhaps they should just leave?

Netanyahu today “When will you learn you can’t appease your way out of jihad?”

Go Israel. 🇮🇱