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Genocide is being committed in Gaza by Israel

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Whitewavemark2 Tue 16-Sept-25 10:16:17

4 of the 5 conditions are fulfilled.

UN report.

Babs03 Wed 17-Sept-25 09:49:01

I too am bewildered that posters still cling to the moral high ground despite growing certainty that genocide is taking place.
Their oft repeated mantra that Hamas must be destroyed is getting very tired, many countries have lived with terrorism for decades and never resorted to wiping out a whole population to do this. Usually they try negotiation/dialogue as well as sporadically attacking known terrorist cells.
And don’t even say it is because of the hostages, the hostages know that Netanyahu has sacrificed their loved ones.

Babs03 Wed 17-Sept-25 09:50:11

Correction - never resorted to wiping out a whole population in order to deal with this.

ronib Wed 17-Sept-25 09:53:02

I think you will find that on October 7, 2023, Israel decided enough is enough.
Israel has not wiped out a whole population - there are many left still to kill. And Hamas will be defeated somehow whether or not their Qatari puppet masters agree. Babs03

Oreo Wed 17-Sept-25 09:58:42

Babs03
You must realise that it wasn’t just a typical terrorist attack? When around 1,200 were murdered from the governing body from Gaza.

Babs03 Wed 17-Sept-25 10:12:11

Oreo

Babs03
You must realise that it wasn’t just a typical terrorist attack? When around 1,200 were murdered from the governing body from Gaza.

Yes, and that is exactly why all western governments were falling over themselves to support Israel in the beginning and why many posters on here could understand the military action Israel took.
But that was when we all thought Israel would punish Hamas and then seek dialogue after establishing a ceasefire.
Now Israel’s actions have revealed that this isn’t just about punishing Hamas, there is another darker agenda playing out, an agenda that becomes more obvious every day.

Oreo Wed 17-Sept-25 10:15:18

Punishing hamas how? Shoot a few and tell the other 20,000 or so to behave?
In order to have peace in Gaza they all, or as many as possible have to be shot.There isn’t another way to do it.

ronib Wed 17-Sept-25 10:18:32

But there’s a never ending supply of Hamas warriors happily provided by a number of Arab countries. A great example of saying one thing and doing another? The hypocrisy of all involved is breathtaking.

Oreo Wed 17-Sept-25 10:21:45

Not so sure about the never ending supply.

Oreo Wed 17-Sept-25 10:22:46

In any case, hamas will never be in a position of power again in Gaza.

ronib Wed 17-Sept-25 10:58:15

Marina Miron on YouTube- despite all the rhetoric from the UN, nothing really is being done.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 17-Sept-25 11:11:50

Starvation

Babs03 Wed 17-Sept-25 11:14:20

Oreo

Punishing hamas how? Shoot a few and tell the other 20,000 or so to behave?
In order to have peace in Gaza they all, or as many as possible have to be shot.There isn’t another way to do it.

Well there are other ways to do it, establishing a ceasefire, releasing the hostages, and engaging in talks that could lead to Hamas disarming and a fragile peace in the region. And it wouldn’t be easy, it would be extremely difficult, but if a mediator with no skin in the game and excellent mediating skills could be found to broker this I would have felt tentatively optimistic.
Hamas are good at hyperbole, most terrorist groups are, but they want to stop the bombing that is killing them as well as innocent civilians, basically they probably just want to survive after losing so many commanders and operatives in Gaza. They know that the writing is on the wall.

AGAA4 Wed 17-Sept-25 11:19:18

This isn't about defeating Hamas this carrying out what Smotrich demanded to 'cleanse' Gaza of all Palestinians. So not just Hamas.

Babs03 Wed 17-Sept-25 11:24:31

AGAA4

This isn't about defeating Hamas this carrying out what Smotrich demanded to 'cleanse' Gaza of all Palestinians. So not just Hamas.

I know. For a long time now Hamas have been taking defensive not offensive action. The aggressor hasn’t been Hamas for a very long time now.
And Israelis haven’t been the victims for a very long time now.
One only has to look at the streets of Israel and what has become of Gaza to know this is no longer a war but genocide.

Babs03 Wed 17-Sept-25 11:29:44

Whitewavemark2

Starvation

When I look at those pics I feel guilty because I couldn’t stop this, I couldn’t help.
And every time I think if my GCs and how it is very much a case of ‘here by the grace of God go I’.

ronib Wed 17-Sept-25 11:52:15

Unless someone changes tack, this war in Gaza could well last 30 years it has been suggested. I feel guilty too that there’s nothing I can do to bring about any resolution. The power lies with the Arabs who are supporting this conflict. The guilt is theirs.

AGAA4 Wed 17-Sept-25 11:54:24

Netanyahu hasn't ruled out further strikes on Hamas leaders abroad.
Wonder what country he will bomb next.

Babs03 Wed 17-Sept-25 11:56:49

AGAA4

Netanyahu hasn't ruled out further strikes on Hamas leaders abroad.
Wonder what country he will bomb next.

Well, he presently has impunity and total immunity from the usual international laws, so he can take his pick.

Babs03 Wed 17-Sept-25 11:58:38

When Trump became president Netanyahu must have done a victory dance to the soundtrack ‘ain’t no stopping us now’.

AGAA4 Wed 17-Sept-25 12:02:50

Would he dare attack a NATO country? It does seem that he is literally getting away with murder so maybe he would.

ronib Wed 17-Sept-25 12:05:04

When Trump became president, his big announcement was that the world needs to stop relying on America and can sort itself out. America first. What was said in private, we shall never know. Hardly a huge endorsement by Trump?

ronib Wed 17-Sept-25 12:06:33

Is NATO that immoral that it’s housing Hamas? Why else would Netanyahu attack?

Babs03 Wed 17-Sept-25 12:50:49

ronib

Is NATO that immoral that it’s housing Hamas? Why else would Netanyahu attack?

Israel has no right to attack any other sovereign country even if intelligence indicates that Hamas could be in that country. God help us if it becomes okay to just bomb someone else’s country on the intelligence that terrorists could be hiding there.
Unless a sovereign country attacks Israel there is no way that Israel can hit back.
If this sets a precedent then any country could be bombed by other countries on the assumption that a terrorist is hiding there.
Very dangerous reasoning here.

Babs03 Wed 17-Sept-25 12:52:39

Of course none of the above will stop Israel bombing another country.

ronib Wed 17-Sept-25 13:03:01

A terrorist- I wish it was only one. Babs03 Qatar is housing Hamas leaders in luxury hotels and giving a lot of financial support to the organization. It’s fighting a proxy war with Israel and Israel has every intention of resisting. Why on earth wouldn’t it?