No returns of migrants to France yesterday or today.

This whole boat marlarky is just a big fat mess!

I’d like to have full details of Reforms pledge to stop them all in two weeks!

I could guess, but might be barred for suggesting things!

I have listened to Nigel Farage on this.

He actually said in several interviews that Reform will stop the small boat arrivals within two weeks of putting appropriate legislation through parliament.

What he hasn’t said is what the legislation will be.

Well maybe Reform know that something needs to change regarding the paperwork to circumvent these lawyerly challenges.

I’m just surprised Starmer as a top lawyer hadn’t looked into this with Macron.

Keep doing the same thing yet expecting a different result seems incompetent on some level surely?

I think most of us could have expected this. Why didn’t the government?

I don’t think there was the will to do much in government circles up to now, but Reform is doing so well in the polls that they are alarmed and are trying to pull out all the stops now to curb illegal and legal migration.It may already be too late, especially if they allow charities to dictate to them over the deal with the French or anything else.

Now that Israel’s actions in Gaza have been declared a genocide, Trump should be refused entry to the UK.

Wrong thread Sueinkent

The "paperwork" referred to by Farage would be similar to that used by Australia for their tough immigration policy. It has been cricised as a violation of human rights but the Australian government have stuck to their policies and good luck to them.

We would need to suspend the ECHR and the migrant agreements and defund the so-called human rights lawyers.

Whick UK government would have the backbone to do this?

Starmer is already in deep touble with his own back benchers. If he fails to manage this then I think he is toast. Lets see how the much vaunted state visit of Trumb goes - not to mention the Labour Party Conference next week.

But ~Farage has rowed back with his claim. Nothing new there.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Well maybe Reform know that something needs to change regarding the paperwork to circumvent these lawyerly challenges.

I’m just surprised Starmer as a top lawyer hadn’t looked into this with Macron.

Keep doing the same thing yet expecting a different result seems incompetent on some level surely?

I think most of us could have expected this. Why didn’t the government?

Why don't you tell us what actually could legally be done? What measures would you specifically bring in to change the situation?

Are you aware of the ghastly situation in Eritrea, which is the second largest arrivals by boat? These are not economic arrivals, they are refugees.

Refugees who have turned up their noses at living in France or any of the safe countries they passed through.

Why don't you tell us what actually could legally be done? What measures would you specifically bring in to change the situation?

I’m not a lawyer Wyllow. 🤷‍♀️

Those who have knowledge on the situation keep saying we need to suspend/come out of/change Article 8 of the ECHR. But that of course is only what I’ve read.

All I’m saying on this thread is ‘why didn’t Starmer look into this more thoroughly?’

I’m surprised he just thought there wouldn’t be legal challenges - just as there were with the proposed Rwanda deportations. It seems farcical.

Whats the point in just complaining without looking up possible solutions?

I haven’t seem any complaining just posters pointing out that yet another PM is having problems returning migrants.

This latest arrangement with President Macron taking one migrant back and in turn France sending one migrant over here with British connections will have the same lawyers blocking the returns as did, Sunak, Truss, Johnson and no doubt the current PM’s successor whenever that happens to be.

I am not au fait with international law, I have to trust those who are to work out the fine details, sort out a workable solution and put it to the incumbent government.

After all it is what they are paid for…

Gosh you must dream about immigrants FGT they seem to take up all your waking hours

How rude BlueBelle

I can only assume that have you missed all the threads pertaining to migrants started by other posters?

GrannyGravy13

How rude BlueBelle

I can only assume that have you missed all the threads pertaining to migrants started by other posters?

True. But one only has to see the heading of threads about migrants to know straight away which of several forum members have started it.

No we are not lawyers or border control, but we still have our viewpoints on refugees and asylum. There are Christian views, and Buddhist views. I wonder what the Humanist take is on the subject?

BlueBelle

Gosh you must dream about immigrants FGT they seem to take up all your waking hours

I wish. You have no idea of what my waking hours consist of.

GrannyGravy13

I have listened to Nigel Farage on this.

He actually said in several interviews that Reform will stop the small boat arrivals within two weeks of putting appropriate legislation through parliament.

What he hasn’t said is what the legislation will be.

But his initial claim at his party conference was that he would stop the boats within two weeks, no mention of two weeks after appropriate legislation.

Cossy

This whole boat marlarky is just a big fat mess!

I’d like to have full details of Reforms pledge to stop them all in two weeks!

I could guess, but might be barred for suggesting things!

It became worse because of Brexit. When we were in the EU it was much easier to return migrants .Can’t see Reform being much better unless they copy Trump.

Can you imagine if 'boat numbers' went down dramatically? What would Farage do? What would he have to offer the people?
He worsened the situation through BREXIT, so for him, this has been a BREXIT benefit.

Genuine asylum seekers, those escaping allegedly horrific conditions in their home countries would surely be grateful to have arrived in Europe and should have sought asylum in the first country they reached.

Those who push on through various other, perfectly safe European countries with the sole intention of reaching England are economic migrants and should be automatically barred from seeking asylum.

Starmer has no intention of doing that though and boatloads will continue to arrive until we have a change of government.

Has Nigel Farage got the answer?
It’s worth giving him a chance isn’t it, for all our sakes.

Skodadoda

Cossy

This whole boat marlarky is just a big fat mess!

I’d like to have full details of Reforms pledge to stop them all in two weeks!

I could guess, but might be barred for suggesting things!

It became worse because of Brexit. When we were in the EU it was much easier to return migrants .Can’t see Reform being much better unless they copy Trump.

Yes. But no one mentions the Dublin agreement do they ?