ID cards at long last

Smileless2012

I'm 64 REKA, don't have a smart 'phone and don't want one.
Happy to carry an actual card though.

Same here regarding actual card! I'm 51 and a physical card, yes, but not digital that links to everything, too many hacks! I had to upgrade to UC last year from IS, they needed proof I was who I said I was. I didn't know I could have taken a 2019 expired passport (was renewed in 2009, but never used, only my 2nd passport, my 1st was used 1999 and 2003, that's it! I lived in hope of another holiday, alas, was not to be!) My driving licence is an original paper, don't want to change it!

So, I handed over my gun licence! "Never had one of those before" she said. I told her if good enough for the police, it's good enough for you.

Mum doesn't drive anymore, but does have her bus pass for ID and her blue badge for when we're out.

I know alot say yes to ID, I agree with a physical card that has my mugshot on it, but NOT digital. Too many big companies being attacked and the way the government want EVERYTHING on this one ID, no way.

Don't put all the eggs in one basket!

MaizieD

If it’s inconsequential then it isn’t worth the expense of setting it up and maintaining it. Or the danger of it being misused.

Did you read the Guardian article? Surely there are things to learn from so many other European countries.
Or is this just British exceptionalism?

I read it but none of it seemed to be anything that couldn't be achieved with the curren firms of ID, the issues described, are all things I currently achieve with no ID card.

I am in favour of this. Very much so,

SheepyIzzy

Smileless2012

I'm 64 REKA, don't have a smart 'phone and don't want one.
Happy to carry an actual card though.

Same here regarding actual card! I'm 51 and a physical card, yes, but not digital that links to everything, too many hacks! I had to upgrade to UC last year from IS, they needed proof I was who I said I was. I didn't know I could have taken a 2019 expired passport (was renewed in 2009, but never used, only my 2nd passport, my 1st was used 1999 and 2003, that's it! I lived in hope of another holiday, alas, was not to be!) My driving licence is an original paper, don't want to change it!

So, I handed over my gun licence! "Never had one of those before" she said. I told her if good enough for the police, it's good enough for you.

Mum doesn't drive anymore, but does have her bus pass for ID and her blue badge for when we're out.

I know alot say yes to ID, I agree with a physical card that has my mugshot on it, but NOT digital. Too many big companies being attacked and the way the government want EVERYTHING on this one ID, no way.

Don't put all the eggs in one basket!

I hate to tell you this, but a physical card can be easily cloned.

Galaxy

I read it but none of it seemed to be anything that couldn't be achieved with the curren firms of ID, the issues described, are all things I currently achieve with no ID card.

You're right. There are some agencies who have legitimate access to your NI number and various other data can be retrieved within minutes.

I don't see that people's privacy will be affected - that horse has already bolted. The question is whether there will be benefits - and what will they be exactly?

I have signed a petition (started by Liberty) against the ID proposal. I voted Remain.

nanna8

What’s with the digital? Why not a proper one ? Tell me all the homeless people and old and sick people have phones. Typical middle class apology for a Labour Party.

I posted before, 96% of people in the UK have smart phones, I don’t believe being ill precludes you from having one either?

Blimey this thread has a life if it’s own and has entirely disappeared down the rabbit hole.

The ID card is answering a problem that as far as I can see doesn’t exist. The law if upheld properly covers exactly what this superfluous bit of nonsense does.

Those of us as retirees and who will never work, don’t need one, neither does anyone who does not work for whatever reason.

It is merely postering to Farage and the anti-immigration contingent.

growstuff

Galaxy

I read it but none of it seemed to be anything that couldn't be achieved with the curren firms of ID, the issues described, are all things I currently achieve with no ID card.

You're right. There are some agencies who have legitimate access to your NI number and various other data can be retrieved within minutes.

I don't see that people's privacy will be affected - that horse has already bolted. The question is whether there will be benefits - and what will they be exactly?

Would there not be a negative impact on the black economy?

growstuff

nanna8

What’s with the digital? Why not a proper one ? Tell me all the homeless people and old and sick people have phones. Typical middle class apology for a Labour Party.

I suspect most old and sick people do have smartphones. It's patronising to think they don't.

I know a lot who don’t- most in fact. You must be more advanced or richer in the UK. Homeless people, on the whole, don’t either. That is discrimination.

Thinking about it, I don’t think you need to worry because they won’t get round to it . All mouth and no trousers.

I still don't see how ID cards would stop people circumventing the black economy, unless the government were to make us a cashless society, which again would go down like a bucket of sick. They know what bloody Deliveroo and other exploitative outfits are up to, they should raid them to the point of extinction imo.

TerriBull

I still don't see how ID cards would stop people circumventing the black economy, unless the government were to make us a cashless society, which again would go down like a bucket of sick. They know what bloody Deliveroo and other exploitative outfits are up to, they should raid them to the point of extinction imo.

I agree!

I doubt if ID cards would have saved the two people who drowned overnight trying to cross the channel to seek asylum.

I really am flip-flopping on the ID issue.

On one hand it could make things a lot easier, in an ever increasing paperless society.

On the other it depends on what the government of the day does with the information.

Like I posted up thread, anyone with a shop loyalty card, who walks around in a facial recognition camera zone, who drives in a number plate monitoring area.

Banks inform HMRC on how much interest we may or may not earn on our money, we have to prove who we are and what we are intending to use our own money for if we withdraw over a certain amount.

I wish I could make up my mind 🤷‍♀️

Coming back to this, a point I raised yesterday, as to migrants who have no papers, how would they access benefits etc. and Growstuff stated "well they can't that's the whole point" I didn't ask you to elucidate, on that GS if you come back. Do you mean they would be eligible for immediate deportation? No one could be sure if an individual has destroyed their papers themselves, a third party had done that to them under duress, or they simply had to leave, for whatever reason without any. So deportation wouldn't really be fair for the asylum seeker who desperately needs a safe haven.

All I know, following a phone call with son number 2 yesterday, he's spitting feathers his rationale is "fgs! I produced birth certificate, passport and National Insurance Card when I commenced work with employers, I don't need a *** ID card I don't trust this government or any other not to use it in some pervasive way" and of those who say, "look France and Germany have them", well imo we are all at a crossroads in many ways, not least of all with dissatisfaction with the political class and none of us know really what is coming down the line in the future, it could be seismic. Why can't asylum seekers, once approved be issued with a National Insurance Card instead of pissing off a multitude of British Nationals by mandating an Identity Card. At the back of my mind I can't help thinking this is some sort of Keir Starmer deflection, his ratings have gone through the floor and the Labour Party Conference is imminent.

My first instinct was why not. Now I’m totally unsure. The cost to the country seems to be astronomical. As the news settles I’m thinking, well I have no need to apply for work so it won’t affect me. Or not at first. Then of course it’s likely to be extended. Maybe not in my lifetime, who knows. It would of course immediately impact our younger family members.

We have several friends and neighbours who have never used a computer or possessed a smart phone. At their ages they have no desire to begin now, the learning curve would simply be too much while struggling with chronic pain, sight loss, memory loss, reduced manual dexterity and high anxiety. They’d cope with a card.

Then I think why do it rather than why not. The potential for cyber crime is real, any employer should record a national insurance number for anyone they employ. If they don’t now why would they check any sort of identity card.

I’ve currently settled in the yes if there’s a physical card option, like my driving licence. Instinctively I’d not want one on my phone. Why? I’m not sure, it’s just a pretty loud voice. Maybe I’ll come around to the idea. There’s time after all.

I have a passport, a bus pass, and a drivers licence, all have my ID on them my passport is my ID if I go to another country for a holiday. A card would be a lot easier. So I am all for it.

Arto1s

ID cards are so necessary. My sister doesn’t drive, so no driving license. Her Passport expired years ago. This is exactly why ID cards are useful.

I would have thought even an expired passport could be used as sufficient proof for these purposes. I know my own is out of date - but I keep it because the photo is still recognisably me (just about - given a noticeable number of people "don't look like themselves" any longer so to say as they get older). But I would think most of us are still recognisable as the photo for some time afterwards.

Galaxy

What kind of constructive discussion do you hope to have by labelling people on the other side of debate as tin hat brigade.

The poster clearly doesn’t want a discussion. It’s the beginning of the end of so many freedoms. Not least, it will make it easier to persuade people they don’t need cash. Before you know it, your shopping will be fully monitored. We all have NHS numbers already.

Casdon

Imaginations are going into overdrive on this thread. ID cards systems are in operation all over the world.

Mainly in the EU.

I think it’s crackers. A waste of time & money. Look at the millions the government wasted on covid. If KS had been in power we would have been locked down for even longer, ‘according to him’.
I don’t TRUST they will keep our info safe, from hackers & scammers, as someone said on here, why put all your eggs in one basket!
I think they need to concentrate on the people landing on our shores. Who are they? Are they criminals, rapists, I can’t see that they are all professional people like Doctors, dentists, engineers, etc.
I think people are very naive to think it’s about solving immigration, it won’t smash the gangs- they will keep on coming.
It will take them a trillion years to find out who all these people are.
Most brits have Id, we have had it from birth.
As for work we have p45s, passports, birth certificates, a NI number, drivers license.
Before we know it, we will have to provide it to go shopping for certain goods, like petrol.
No I think it’s to control the masses FOR SURE!

For some purposes a birth certificate is not sufficiently verifiable. It only proves you were born! - See my kafkaesque experience in my post earlier to prove my right to work to my employer of over 4 years!
Crazy old world.

Being on the electoral register is verifiable and was used when I needed to open a new bank account in the branch.
In the UK - along with council tax info etc.

I must be what you call a tin hat wearer.

My thoughts exactly:
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