ID cards at long last

Galaxy

Watching Lisa Nandy struggle to explain what would happen if people just said no was fun.

Those interviews were just embarrassing for her. She wasn’t clued up enough to explain the idea of ID cards properly.
I cringed watching.

I am not one to defend LN heaven knows but I do think she was put in a tricky position there.

& that’s what I was suggesting, start with people who land in other countries with those ID cards. That’s if they can find out who these people are.

Mt61

& that’s what I was suggesting, start with people who land in other countries with those ID cards. That’s if they can find out who these people are.

Mamie

Sorry MT61 I don't understand. People who land in other countries with Digital ID to get into UK Government services on line?
I will post this again because there still seems to be some confusion.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/digital-id-scheme-explainer/digital-id-scheme-explainer

Mamie

Sorry MT61 I don't understand. People who land in other countries with Digital ID to get into UK Government services on line?
I will post this again because there still seems to be some confusion.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/digital-id-scheme-explainer/digital-id-scheme-explainer

KS is saying everyone needs ID to work.
I am saying how do you give these people coming into the country illegally ID to work if they are destroying their original paper work.
People coming here legally, or people settling in other countries legally, will already have legal papers to be transferred on to electronic ID.

I don't have a phone.

Nandy was being asked about a rushed new policy (or rather a revived and defeated policy from the Blair government) before any details has been released. She’s Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport. This a Home Office issue.

ID cards will do nothing to stop employers who fly under the radar from continuing to do so. Government already has powers against those.

As I have said before, beware of function creep and how an ID card could be used to surveil every aspect of our daily lives. Extremely dangerous in the hands of government especially a fascist government that we may be sleepwalking into.

The National Register and ID cards were used to surveil people's private activities during WW2 and long after.

I can only answer for the French system, but it seems reasonable.
The procedure for "sans papiers" in France has been under review this year. Basically people without documents are not allowed to work, but there are exceptions. These are the new proposals.

"Undocumented workers in sectors 'under strain' to be prioritized According to the new measures, prefects should issue residence permits to undocumented workers in sectors experiencing labour shortages – these jobs are detailed in a 2021 document. [The Ministry of Labour will issue an updated list by the "end of February."] Regularization will therefore be based on France’s labour needs, rather than the personal and family motives of undocumented foreigners.
The Immigration law created a one-year residence permit for "temporary workers" or "employees". The procedure for regularization is carried out only at the request of the foreign worker. The employer does not have to provide any documents or pay any taxes, which was the case under the Valls circular. The foreign worker must meet the following conditions: Having exercised a salaried professional activity which appears in the list of sectors 'under strain' for at least 12 months, consecutive or not, over the last two years.
Proof of an uninterrupted period of residence of at least three years in France.
The prefect must take additional elements into account, such as social and family integration, respect for public order, integration in society and "respect for the principles of the Republic." These are concepts that already appeared in the Valls circular.
Despite the legal framework of the law, the prefect can still reject applications."

You might be interested in this:

youtu.be/AI8cyjfNAfc?si=6hQNS-5GrCZKtWu7

I admit I am against them.

She’s (Lisa Nandy) Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport
Then she should have said she couldn’t answer that because it was a home office issue.
Though maybe that’s just another example of her confusion.

It is actually the Department for Science, Innovation and Technology who are responsible for Digital ID.
Apologies if I have said this before - Digital ID was introduced in Australia last year with functions similar to the UK proposals. It cost around 400 million dollars to implement and is expected to save 3.3 billion dollars a year, because signing in to multiple services with a single ID is more efficient than having multiple ways of accessing services.

NotSpaghetti

You might be interested in this:

youtu.be/AI8cyjfNAfc?si=6hQNS-5GrCZKtWu7

I admit I am against them.

Thank you for posting the link NotSpaghetti, I've listened to it. The pros and cons are clearly stated, and to all those who trot out, "if you've got nothing to hide", that's not the point, it's the ever creeping overreach of the Big Brother state, that opponents fear. I'm also against them.

It seems tricky to find genuine pros and cons.

ID cards might make life easier with the new border checks.
Strange that foreign countries can have our names and personal data from passport, including full name, nationality and biometric data such as a facial image and fingerprints, but the UK doesn’t want ID cards.
Will it stop those against ID cards from travelling to EU countries?
Do we have this set up for all immigrants including those coming in boats?

Mollygo

ID cards might make life easier with the new border checks.
Strange that foreign countries can have our names and personal data from passport, including full name, nationality and biometric data such as a facial image and fingerprints, but the UK doesn’t want ID cards.
Will it stop those against ID cards from travelling to EU countries?
Do we have this set up for all immigrants including those coming in boats?

They will probably be exempt because nobody knows who they are!
Said to be rolling ID out, starting with army veterans. Guy interviewed isn’t happy, as he has veteran ID with his photograph.

I don't see why asylum seekers couldn't have interim cards, which could include a photo, given name, date of birth, biometric data and a number which could be accessed for further details, such as the current knowledge about the person eg, whether they have any documents, up-to-date address, how far the application has been processed to date, etc.

That way authorities could keep a track on them and it would be more difficult to slip under the radar.

growstuff

I don't see why asylum seekers couldn't have interim cards, which could include a photo, given name, date of birth, biometric data and a number which could be accessed for further details, such as the current knowledge about the person eg, whether they have any documents, up-to-date address, how far the application has been processed to date, etc.

That way authorities could keep a track on them and it would be more difficult to slip under the radar.

Look forward to see how they do with that 👍🏻

There was a March down London. ‘No to ID’ no thugs, just normal looking people.

The majority of ‘thugs’ look like ‘normal people’ most of the time Mt61 depending on your personal criteria of both labels.