Grooming gangs in London

Reported.

Ok.

But it was u0yet another deflection.

Quite a different situation to children being groomed and abused by gangs which is what we are discussing and concerned about.

I do feel sorry for those in abusive situations and am not unaware of them, obviously, having people close to me who were and are suffering, but they are adults.

These are under-age children.

Excuse me, but is that the second attack on Wyllow, on a Thread about condemning abuse?
Get a grip. We are not enemies

No, it is not meant as an attack, but this is about abused children, not marital abuse and coercive control etc, although that does deserve a thread of its own.

It's not an attack, it's pointing out that deflections detract from the main issue here.

The essence of the inquiry.
* not enquiry
That’s totally different, folk.

Report again if you wish.

But I will point out that this is about children abused by grooming gangs and constant deflections are a distraction.

Wyllow3

fancythat

Wyllow3

GrannyGravy13

Maremia

If help and justice is to come, it should come for all victims, not just the victims of a chosen ethnicity.

Deflection

This is about Asian grooming gangs.

If you are concerned about other ethnic grooming gangs maybe start a thread…

No - if we think the issues are about all grooming gangs but of course that does mean all so includes those concerns.

Given that the thread is entitled Grooming Gangs in London we are off on a wider brief already.

Wyllow3 - were you grromed yourself?
By non Asians?

Several of us seem to find your constant deflection posts quite difficult to understand.

I was in a co-ercive abuse partner than marriage for 11 years and the end bits were grim - police, threats of death, (yes truly), threats to my DiL, fancythat

That is not a deflection post!

I am sorry for what you went through.

I appreciate you posting that.

If you are wanting only an echo chamber, then Gransnet is not the place. This is an open forum.
It is not up to you or any other of us to dictate what may be discussed, within the rules.
Why not just skip past the posts that 'annoy' you. There are always plenty of others to read and agree with.

Kate1949

I know there were others speaking out but Maggie shouted loudest. Good for her.

Yes but they tried to get the ball rolling, to no avails because authorities didn’t want to know, so thank goodness Maggie took over. Also didn’t hat journalist do a lot of ground work, also Rupert Lowe?

M61, Lowe is talking about it in 2024/5.

Sarah Champion, Labour MP for Rotherham, has been fighting the cause since 2015 (yes, enquiry specific on grooming gangs).

But surely GB new has mentioned her too? No? what a surprise.

Read here

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/feb/09/sarah-champion-mp-rotherham-job-living-hell

Allira

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Thank you fancy that. There are many common factors in abuse, experiencing it helps understand those manipulative aspects and help others.

Abuse of children by adults is quite different to abuse of adults by other adults. I'm amazed that anyone doesn't recognise the power imbalance at the starting point. Adult abuse of other adults is reprehensible, but adult abuse of children is on another level beyond the pale. In my opinion, other opinions are available.

Primrose53

growstuff

Mt61

Nurseundercover

Maggie Oliver should be commissioned to head the whole investigation, she is knowledgeable, thorough and has integrity. A fantastic lady, where is her knighthood?

Absolutely 💯 she should get an award of some merit

Hmm ... I suspect that's what she wants.

Spiteful comment.

I suspect Maggie Oliver doesn't want people delving too deeply into her foundation at the moment, which they might do, if she were to be given any formal role in the inquiry. That is not a spiteful comment. One of the foundation's ex-employees has been charged at Manchester Magistrates Court with publishing the identity of a sexual abuse survivor under the care of the Maggie Oliver Foundation on social media. Maggie has been accused of a cover up by one of the victims.

Wyllow3

M61, Lowe is talking about it in 2024/5.

Sarah Champion, Labour MP for Rotherham, has been fighting the cause since 2015 (yes, enquiry specific on grooming gangs).

But surely GB new has mentioned her too? No? what a surprise.

Read here

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/feb/09/sarah-champion-mp-rotherham-job-living-hell

No not on GB news but a doc/drama.

Wyllow3

M61, Lowe is talking about it in 2024/5.

Sarah Champion, Labour MP for Rotherham, has been fighting the cause since 2015 (yes, enquiry specific on grooming gangs).

But surely GB new has mentioned her too? No? what a surprise.

Read here

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/feb/09/sarah-champion-mp-rotherham-job-living-hell

RL is talking about it has has been working with one of the vitamins- at least it’s still in the public domain, not being swept under the carpet

Allira

No, it is not meant as an attack, but this is about abused children, not marital abuse and coercive control etc, although that does deserve a thread of its own.

It's not an attack, it's pointing out that deflections detract from the main issue here.

All abuse is abuse; we need to tackle it all. The idea that one particular ethnic or religious group should be treated differently is simply a deflection that means you are setting one abused person above another.

How can this be right?

Yes GS, they should have been done, I agree with that. What is the point of these charity foundations, if they aren’t going to protect the very people it was set up for?

Rosie51

Abuse of children by adults is quite different to abuse of adults by other adults. I'm amazed that anyone doesn't recognise the power imbalance at the starting point. Adult abuse of other adults is reprehensible, but adult abuse of children is on another level beyond the pale. In my opinion, other opinions are available.

Absolutely correct 👍🏻

Bloody typo ‘victims’not vitamins 😩
Sound like KS with his sausages statement

It appears that GN has members who object to these children having an enquiry of their own, just as like some MP’s, Councillors and Police Officers 🤷‍♀️

Allira

Report again if you wish.

But I will point out that this is about children abused by grooming gangs and constant deflections are a distraction.

That may be all you want to talk about Allira but threads have always expanded and followed additional argument so why is this one different?

I cannot see how any attempt to narrow it helps. The attacks on one ethnic or religious group seem very like the views of those in the USA that lead to the attacks and lynching of black men to me.

What aggressors need to know is that they committing a criminal offence, that they will be caught, and that they will be punished. That should apply to all.

Rosie51

Abuse of children by adults is quite different to abuse of adults by other adults. I'm amazed that anyone doesn't recognise the power imbalance at the starting point. Adult abuse of other adults is reprehensible, but adult abuse of children is on another level beyond the pale. In my opinion, other opinions are available.

Totally agree.
All the deflections on here about different types of abuse just muddy the waters really, as it’s just a thread on a forum that’s not important but it becomes very important if those in positions of some power try and muddy the waters around the grooming gangs by widening the remit of the enquiry to include different patterns of abuse.
The ethnicity and religion of the gangs is of prime importance as it was because of them that the authorities turned a blind eye and in some cases colluded with these vile men, instead of building a case against them.

If posters feel it would help them to talk about their own domestic abuse cases, it would be better under a new thread under the health heading, where like minded people could read, tell their own stories or just sympathise.

DaisyAnneReturns

Allira

Report again if you wish.

But I will point out that this is about children abused by grooming gangs and constant deflections are a distraction.

That may be all you want to talk about Allira but threads have always expanded and followed additional argument so why is this one different?

I cannot see how any attempt to narrow it helps. The attacks on one ethnic or religious group seem very like the views of those in the USA that lead to the attacks and lynching of black men to me.

What aggressors need to know is that they committing a criminal offence, that they will be caught, and that they will be punished. That should apply to all.

Justice of course applies to all.

There is no denying that these children were abused by organised gangs of Asian men who were according to the police predominantly Pakistani.

Why they thought they could get away with it, why the girls were not taken notice of.

Why two 11 years olds were found drunk and naked in a house with these men were charged with being drunk and disorderly and the men got off scott free

Acknowledging these girls pain does not detract from other victims of abuse, but this was a horrendous series of crimes, unless we understand how and why they will continue.

I just laugh out loud when people try to shout racist, it has zero impact on me whatsoever. I will continue to talk about this specific issue and if you want to imply that somehow links me to lynching of black men, crack on.