Grooming gangs in London

This whole conversation is oversimplified and narrow. If the premise of the problem is seen in such a way all we can expect are oversimplified and narrow solutions. But at least it distracts it's proponents away from reality - exactly as intended.

MayBee70

I think a modern day problem is trying to avoid any sort of bias because I know for a fact that I’m biased about a lot of things even though I’m aware if it and try to avoid it.

Good for you.

Coming onto this forum, it was an eye opener, how biased posters are.
I know some in real life, but seeing it all written down on social media, and seeing it all daily, it has been very surprising.

Allsorts

Everyone knows these gangs are Asian, who almost have a free ticket because you cant mention race even if its the truth.. You have to ask yourself why that is. Is it because people at the top are involved. I am glad those two girls had the courage to walk away, perhaps now the papers will get involved in finding out every last one of those involved.
Maggie is the only person you can trust,

They were too scared of being called racists by saying the gangs were Asian. There can’t be a person alive who does not know that.

Those kids were called things like “filthy white trash” all the time. Shows you who the real racists are.

Show bias neither way. Call them all out.

Maremia

And 2003 is an awful long time ago.

Which only proves my point that the can will be kicked down the road again.
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Maremia

If help and justice is to come, it should come for all victims, not just the victims of a chosen ethnicity.

Deflection

This is about Asian grooming gangs.

If you are concerned about other ethnic grooming gangs maybe start a thread…

petra

Maremia

And 2003 is an awful long time ago.

Which only proves my point that the can will be kicked down the road again.
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But it isn’t because there’s an enquiry. Maybe accuse the government if nothing results from it but it’s ongoing isn’t it?

Why is it uncomfortable for some of you to admit that there are rapist gangs who are not Asian?
If there is going to be an investigation, make it worthwhile.
Prosecute them all.

Listen to all victims. Justice for all.

Actually, I don't believe this will be kicked down the road. Not now. Too much is being said about it.

I’m confused now. The inquiry is not specifically about Asian Grooming Gangs. It is about Grooming Gangs in the UK?

And for your information, the Thread title says 'grooming gangs'.

Casdon

I’m confused now. The inquiry is not specifically about Asian Grooming Gangs. It is about Grooming Gangs in the UK?

Indeed. And whether the ethnicity of gangs influenced the way in which they were investigated and prosecuted.

This is the crux of why ethnicity is a vital issue in this enquiry. And why the testimony of the victims is so crucial.

Precisely. It matters a great deal that ALL gangs/abuse is taken seriously. No free passes to white gangs and exploitation of women and girls.

Maggie Olivers organisation does deal with all abuse issues, after all. she wa mentioned upthread as being interviewed on GB news.

Well, here is her website

www.themaggieoliverfoundation.com

I quote the headlines

"The Maggie Oliver Foundation (TMOF) exists to create a society where survivors and those at risk of childhood sexual abuse and exploitation (CSAE) are empowered to live fulfilled and successful lives,

and where every survivor is treated with dignity, respect and as an equal and valued member of society.

We can only provide emotional support and legal advocacy to those who are based in United Kingdom"

Maremia

Why is it uncomfortable for some of you to admit that there are rapist gangs who are not Asian?
If there is going to be an investigation, make it worthwhile.
Prosecute them all.

The issue is that the victims of the Asian grooming gangs were promised an inquiry which would focus only on them, not the wider issue of child sexual abuse. It would appear that there are now pressures to include non-Asian gangs and other forms of abuse. I'm not sure where those pressures are coming from or whether they're even real pressures.

Wyllow Maggie Oliver isn't behind the inquiry, although there's obviously a big overlap. Louise Casey's report promised the victims of the gangs a report focussed specifically on them.

I'm not claiming the victims are right to want an exclusive report, but it is true that they've been let down very badly in the past and they need to be able to trust without being patronised. They trusted what Casey promised them and feel let down - yet again.

Lathyrus3

Casdon

I’m confused now. The inquiry is not specifically about Asian Grooming Gangs. It is about Grooming Gangs in the UK?

Indeed. And whether the ethnicity of gangs influenced the way in which they were investigated and prosecuted.

This is the crux of why ethnicity is a vital issue in this enquiry. And why the testimony of the victims is so crucial.

Exactly! It's quite specific.

Child sexual abuse is a much wider issue and needs other inquiries.

Casdon

I’m confused now. The inquiry is not specifically about Asian Grooming Gangs. It is about Grooming Gangs in the UK?

Yes. The thread has gone off-topic.

Those pressures are coming from somewhere, and certain people in power must know where from.
Yes, as growstuff says above the women were promised an inquiry into the Asian grooming gangs.

That then begs the question that will come from other survivors - "what about us!"

Why don't we get an inquiry about how inadequately our cases were handled.....they only care for ....

Wha about me, I'm a victim of police abuse and they are still doing it

What about me, I'm a victim of rape by a priest when I was a child, who is listening to me, nothing has been done

dont you see the point?

If a remit is too wide then issues become lost. Wyllow3 why are you so against these victims of Asian grooming gangs being able to have an inquiry that examines why religious and racial concerns overrode their rights to justice? The authorities knew what was going on but chose to ignore and deflect to the point of accusing the victims of being complicit or prostitutes because they were afraid of escalating racial tensions. This is now documented. Would you expect an inquiry into Islamophobia to also look at anti-semitism and anti-Christian offences?

I thought there had been campaigns/issues raised about priest/vicar sexual abuse of children. Don't remember too many shouts of "what about children abused by school teachers/doctors/social workers/ family members etc don't just concentrate on religious abusers.

Still trying to deflect and muddy the waters then. Very clear that this is exactly what these politicians have been doing and are still doing.

GrannyGravy13

Maremia

If help and justice is to come, it should come for all victims, not just the victims of a chosen ethnicity.

Deflection

This is about Asian grooming gangs.

If you are concerned about other ethnic grooming gangs maybe start a thread…

No - if we think the issues are about all grooming gangs but of course that does mean all so includes those concerns.

Given that the thread is entitled Grooming Gangs in London we are off on a wider brief already.

nanna8

Still trying to deflect and muddy the waters then. Very clear that this is exactly what these politicians have been doing and are still doing.

In this case, I don't know who "these politicians" are. I don't think it's the Labour Party which is trying to scupper anything, but I do think there is misinformation and bad advice swirling around and there are those who are very happy to use the issue as a political football. Sorry that doesn't seem to make much sense, but I haven't worked out who all the players are, but there's something not right.