Grooming gangs in London

I was getting the same sort of feeling. Why did the 2 people initially agree, but have stood down?

Article online just now, BBC, might be of interest.

Wyllow3

I was getting the same sort of feeling. Why did the 2 people initially agree, but have stood down?

Because the same person (or people) are behind the scenes pulling strings (maybe). The question is why should anybody do that. The politics of these kind of inquiries are always complicated. I have a horrible feeling that the victims are being used in pawns.

There's no doubt this is a toxic hot potato and I'm not surprised the former governments did very little. Badenoch, in particular, has a cheek to criticise anybody because she was at various times Under-Secretary of State for Children and Families, Under-Secretary of State for Equalities, Minister of State for Equalities and Minister of State for Local Government, Faith and Communities. She did nothing!

The victims of Asian Grooming Gangs should be heard, if it was up to me the lot of those gang member would never see daylight again, they are scum of the earth. Those two girls left that inquiry they had fought so hard for as. once again they were not listened too, which says it all. This inquiry shows that others in important positions are involved. Wanted it dumbed down, Let them be flushed out with a different panel chosen by Maggie, she knows more about it and genuinely cares. Would you like to think of a young girl, your daughter, going through what they have, Those low life didn't do it to their own race just white girls already vulnerable, they are the racists.
We owe these girls justice but that and no amount of money can ever give them peace of mind. They were children, not in any way at fault.
Plaster every one of those evil men faces across the newspapers. I don't believe their families didn't know.,

Maremia

Article online just now, BBC, might be of interest.

It sounds as though somebody (or bodies) has a personal grudge against Jess Phillips.

growstuff

Wyllow3

I was getting the same sort of feeling. Why did the 2 people initially agree, but have stood down?

Because the same person (or people) are behind the scenes pulling strings (maybe). The question is why should anybody do that. The politics of these kind of inquiries are always complicated. I have a horrible feeling that the victims are being used in pawns.

There's no doubt this is a toxic hot potato and I'm not surprised the former governments did very little. Badenoch, in particular, has a cheek to criticise anybody because she was at various times Under-Secretary of State for Children and Families, Under-Secretary of State for Equalities, Minister of State for Equalities and Minister of State for Local Government, Faith and Communities. She did nothing!

There’s something rotten in the state of Denmark!!!!!

100% agree with you Allsorts, im disappointed with Jess Phillips, she seemed to really care about women and girls rights .

Allsorts I get what you're saying, but I don't think it's quite that simple. I have a feeling that Maggie Oliver is behind some of it and I know she's seen a saint by some, but I don't trust her to be impartial (sorry, just a gut feeling but I don't say it lightly).

The girls have been listened to. If you delve a bit deeper and find the letters they've written, there is proof they were listened to. Some of them didn't like the directions which seem to have been taken. They've been told that they have misunderstood some things which were said to them (and, as far as I can tell, I think they have got a couple of things wrong), but that's not the same as lying. Targeting Jess Phillips is interesting, given her background.

I really do think they're being manipulated by people who want to use the whole issue as a political football - as something else to beat Labour for. Maybe there is persona gain involved or maybe the people who stand to lose are engineering a cover up. If you think about who stands to lose, it's the abusers and the authorities responsible for not following up and/or cover ups - some of the individuals involved are still working.

I think this story is going to run and run before any inquiry gets started ... and I think there are going to be some high profile casualties.

PS. I just realised I'm turning into a conspiracy theorist - think I'd better go and have another coffee!

Bridie22

100% agree with you Allsorts, im disappointed with Jess Phillips, she seemed to really care about women and girls rights .

I have no evidence that she doesn't care - on that basis, I think she does care, which is why I think those targeting her have some kind of malignant agenda.

petra

growstuff

Wyllow3

I was getting the same sort of feeling. Why did the 2 people initially agree, but have stood down?

Because the same person (or people) are behind the scenes pulling strings (maybe). The question is why should anybody do that. The politics of these kind of inquiries are always complicated. I have a horrible feeling that the victims are being used in pawns.

There's no doubt this is a toxic hot potato and I'm not surprised the former governments did very little. Badenoch, in particular, has a cheek to criticise anybody because she was at various times Under-Secretary of State for Children and Families, Under-Secretary of State for Equalities, Minister of State for Equalities and Minister of State for Local Government, Faith and Communities. She did nothing!

There’s something rotten in the state of Denmark!!!!!

Never has a quote been more apt!

GrannyGravy13

Maremia

If help and justice is to come, it should come for all victims, not just the victims of a chosen ethnicity.

Deflection

This is about Asian grooming gangs.

If you are concerned about other ethnic grooming gangs maybe start a thread…

Maremia's point was well made. All laws must apply to all. All victims, all perpetrators. Why do you think not doing that will be better for all victims?

The day we start applying laws only to a narrowly selected group we risk:

Erosion of justice
Loss of trust
Social instability
Increased crime and corruption
Weakening of the rule of law
Human rights violations

Overall, we risk undermining social cohesion, stability, and the foundational principles of justice.

This is the British view of law making.

growstuff

Allsorts I get what you're saying, but I don't think it's quite that simple. I have a feeling that Maggie Oliver is behind some of it and I know she's seen a saint by some, but I don't trust her to be impartial (sorry, just a gut feeling but I don't say it lightly).

The girls have been listened to. If you delve a bit deeper and find the letters they've written, there is proof they were listened to. Some of them didn't like the directions which seem to have been taken. They've been told that they have misunderstood some things which were said to them (and, as far as I can tell, I think they have got a couple of things wrong), but that's not the same as lying. Targeting Jess Phillips is interesting, given her background.

I really do think they're being manipulated by people who want to use the whole issue as a political football - as something else to beat Labour for. Maybe there is persona gain involved or maybe the people who stand to lose are engineering a cover up. If you think about who stands to lose, it's the abusers and the authorities responsible for not following up and/or cover ups - some of the individuals involved are still working.

I think this story is going to run and run before any inquiry gets started ... and I think there are going to be some high profile casualties.

PS. I just realised I'm turning into a conspiracy theorist - think I'd better go and have another coffee!

I have a feeling that Maggie Oliver is behind some of it

Best of luck with that.

StripeyGran It really is only a gut feeling and I can't even say why I think that - I don't usually form judgements as a result of whims. I'm going to sit back and watch the shenanigans.

I feel so sorry for the abused girls. I'm not sure what they really want to come out of all this and what they've been promised, but I feel they've been dealt a rubbish hand - yet again.

Personally, I hope abusers and those responsible for cover ups get many years behind bars - and I think they might go to all sorts of lengths to make sure they don't. Moreover, I'd like somebody to listen to the victims - in private - and find out what (if anything) could be done to help them with some kind of recovery.

So much 'behind the scenes' manoeuvring, that we will never get to witness.

If they could just get beyond all of the political point scoring,

One of the Survivors suggested looking for a non-British person, and therefore not involved in the crime in any way, who was very competent in British law, as Chair.

Isn't the inquiry looking into the fact that crimes committed by the Pakistani grooming gangs (I think this description is more appropriate) was covered up by people in authority.
In the past crimes were covered up by the BBC, the Church of England and local authorities...we had inquiries into them and the abusers (white) were dealt with...maybe we should have spread the net wider, we may have found evidence of Pakistani's grooming young white girls then.

growstuff

Allsorts I get what you're saying, but I don't think it's quite that simple. I have a feeling that Maggie Oliver is behind some of it and I know she's seen a saint by some, but I don't trust her to be impartial (sorry, just a gut feeling but I don't say it lightly).

The girls have been listened to. If you delve a bit deeper and find the letters they've written, there is proof they were listened to. Some of them didn't like the directions which seem to have been taken. They've been told that they have misunderstood some things which were said to them (and, as far as I can tell, I think they have got a couple of things wrong), but that's not the same as lying. Targeting Jess Phillips is interesting, given her background.

I really do think they're being manipulated by people who want to use the whole issue as a political football - as something else to beat Labour for. Maybe there is persona gain involved or maybe the people who stand to lose are engineering a cover up. If you think about who stands to lose, it's the abusers and the authorities responsible for not following up and/or cover ups - some of the individuals involved are still working.

I think this story is going to run and run before any inquiry gets started ... and I think there are going to be some high profile casualties.

PS. I just realised I'm turning into a conspiracy theorist - think I'd better go and have another coffee!

Thanks for this growstuff, I was out last night, so catching up.

My understanding is the majority of survivors remain involved and express trust in Jess Phillips. This inquiry is complex and it’s inevitable it will raise all kinds of emotions in survivors. I heard two of those who have left interviewed, they were articulate and clear in expressing views and feelings.

I know Louise Casey advised against a Judge led inquiry, to avoid delay. Jim Gamble (? Retired police) is impressive and imo seemed a good choice. I dint know enough about the other lead with a social work background but I’ve no reason to conclude her work history, like that if the police chief, would have been anything other than an asset. I could name retired Judges who imo would bring real expertise to the role. I can’t see any advantage in bringing in a chair who has no expertise in safeguarding

I’m fed up with this being a political football. We need all political parties to work cooperatively,

I've always admired Jess Phillips. She seems totally sincere and dedicated to her safeguarding work. Two of the abused girls have decided to remain. It's time to implement the recommendations of previous reports.

Same here vintage 1950

Has she been an effective voice? I know people keep saying this about Jess Phillips but that doesn't make it true. I have never seen her as a particularly effective campaigner in this area. I almost think it is one of thoe things that seems to be true because lots of people repeat it.

Maremia

One of the Survivors suggested looking for a non-British person, and therefore not involved in the crime in any way, who was very competent in British law, as Chair.

That’s just what I was thinking this morning.Someone who is truly outside it all and can be relied on to be impartial.

I highly recommend the book “You Can’t have my daughter” by Elizabeth McDonnell. She adopted a 10 year old girl over 20 years ago. Elizabeth is a very well educated, caring person who held positions in social services and charity organisations.
Her adopted daughter had been in care for several years.

Sadly the Asian grooming gangs in Oxford got her in their clutches soon after she moved in and even though Elizabeth had strong connections in high places she was unable to get the help they desperately needed.

Her daughter was drugged, manipulated and sold along with other white British girls. Some of the abuse was so awful they could not be reported in the media when it finally got to the Old Bailey.

It is a horrific account of how devious, disgusting and manipulative these evil men are and how they all work together. No young girl is safe with men like this around.

I would think Elizabeth would make a good Chair for this enquiry - if she has the strength after all she and her daughter went through. I have to just repeat this was over 20 years ago and STILL Asian grooming gangs are out there.

I agree.

I think the posts on here, that reveal people more interested in defending their political party, than in justice fir the abused, are a real reflection of what is going on in the enquiry.

The crime and the victims have been lost in the political manoeuvring.

Lathyrus3 I agree