Grooming gangs in London

Lathyrus3

I agree.

I think the posts on here, that reveal people more interested in defending their political party, than in justice fir the abused, are a real reflection of what is going on in the enquiry.

The crime and the victims have been lost in the political manoeuvring.

I think that's pretty low to be honest.

Which posts demonstrate loyalty to a political party above horror and compassion for the victims?

StripeyGran non of the political parties will come out of this well.

There is plenty of oh but the Conservatives didn’t do this or Labour councillors kept quiet in the media and on GN.

I don’t give a flying pig who is in Government, I just want the perpetrators held to account. In this context it means the Pakistani grooming gangs, along with the now disclosed grooming gangs in and around London.

In my opinion the current enquiry should focus on the Pakistani grooming gangs and not be side tracked or watered down with other testimonies of abuse.

Maybe there should be a separate investigation into sexual/coercive abuse in the U.K.?

I can only assume you haven’t read the thread

Actually stripeygran, I think you have just proved my point.🤔

non of the political parties will come out of this well

Yes, indeed.

What a sad mess.

DaisyAnneReturns All laws must apply to all. All victims, all perpetrators.

I thought one of the objects of the inquiry was to fully discover and expose the callous cover ups perpetuated by police and social services. They knew what was going on under their noses but chose to ignore, deflect and even hold the child victims responsible. This in the name of not increasing racial tensions. The fear of being called racist overrode any concern or compassion for the mainly white victims whose plight was dismissed as self inflicted. The laws were not applied to these perpetrators.

For this reason I can understand some victims not trusting a chair who has come from either background. Those authorities covered up before why would the victims feel confident they wouldn't do so again? Nobody wants a repeat of the trite "lessons have/will be learned" platitudes which too often demonstrably haven't been.

It is being reported that 2 of the victims have now said if Jess Phillips is not involved they may come back.

It is also being reported that not all Victims think that Jess Phillips is at fault.
And that is an evolving barrier to justice, which of course will suit any who wish to derail the process.

Wyllow

I completely agree with your statements.

I too have worked with both victims of Domestic Abuse and those abused more widely as young women.

It’s counter productive to concentrate merely on gangs of non British abusers, abusers come in all colours, races and religions.

It’s the actual victims we should be concerned with and the catching and punishing of the perpetrators which are the most important factors.

Allsorts

The victims of Asian Grooming Gangs should be heard, if it was up to me the lot of those gang member would never see daylight again, they are scum of the earth. Those two girls left that inquiry they had fought so hard for as. once again they were not listened too, which says it all. This inquiry shows that others in important positions are involved. Wanted it dumbed down, Let them be flushed out with a different panel chosen by Maggie, she knows more about it and genuinely cares. Would you like to think of a young girl, your daughter, going through what they have, Those low life didn't do it to their own race just white girls already vulnerable, they are the racists.
We owe these girls justice but that and no amount of money can ever give them peace of mind. They were children, not in any way at fault.
Plaster every one of those evil men faces across the newspapers. I don't believe their families didn't know.,

Agree entirely 👍

Were the girls not in care? And therefore living away from their families?

Maremia

Were the girls not in care? And therefore living away from their families?

Not all of them, no.

Thanks Cossy.

Maremia

Were the girls not in care? And therefore living away from their families?

No not all of them. They were all just vulnerable so easy prey. Some came from dysfunctional families, some even from families who tried very hard to get them away from the abusers, who got zero help from police and social services.

She means appoint the rapist copper.
A copper was pointed out to MO as being a rapist.

Maremia

Were the girls not in care? And therefore living away from their families?

Apparently the staff of these care homes were going out to the taxis to pay the fares.
So after being raped & abused, the perpetrators wanted the taxi fare- quite disgusting.

StripeyGran

*non of the political parties will come out of this well*

Yes, indeed.

What a sad mess.

Yes. That’s one of the reasons I didn’t vote Tory. All as bad as each other in in my opinion

Maremia

It is also being reported that not all Victims think that Jess Phillips is at fault.
And that is an evolving barrier to justice, which of course will suit any who wish to derail the process.

JP’s hysterical, shouty outburst the other day shows that no way does she have the correct qualities to be involved in the enquiry. She has not helped herself. One of the victims said this on TV last night. She was far more eloquent and level headed than JP.

GrannyGravy13

StripeyGran non of the political parties will come out of this well.

There is plenty of oh but the Conservatives didn’t do this or Labour councillors kept quiet in the media and on GN.

I don’t give a flying pig who is in Government, I just want the perpetrators held to account. In this context it means the Pakistani grooming gangs, along with the now disclosed grooming gangs in and around London.

In my opinion the current enquiry should focus on the Pakistani grooming gangs and not be side tracked or watered down with other testimonies of abuse.

Maybe there should be a separate investigation into sexual/coercive abuse in the U.K.?

I don’t give a flying pig who is in Government, I just want the perpetrators held to account.

I agree absolutely, Grannygravy13, and also those in authority who failed the girls too should be held to account. They had a part to play in the continuing abuse by their attitudes, both to the girls and for the fact that they put a fear of being thought racist above the wellbeing of young, vulnerable girls. There were and probably still are gangs of different ethnicities and nationalities and this should never be a consideration in investigating crimes such as this.

There are few who seem unafraid to face the facts and tell it as it is, Maggie Oliver for one. Why?

I wasn't going to post again on here but I am so 😡 about this I have. I am also annoyed by the constant red herrings and straw arguments thrown about.

Some were in care, and the grooming that took place in the care homes has been written about ad infinitum now. I don't think anyone can be in doubt just how exploited those young girls were.

Those who lived at home didn't always fare much better, as not only were they threatened so were their families. The worst case scenario is this case. Lucy Lowe of Telford, groomed and exploited from the age of 12 by 26 year old taxi driver Azhar Ali Mehmood, who set fire to her house killing 16 year old Lucy, her unborn child, her 17 year old disabled sister and her 49 year old mother. Her father survived. The scumbag escaped with Tasnim his baby daughter that this murdered child Lucy had previously given birth to. Thankfully George Lowe the surviving member of the family won custody of granddaughter Tasnim after a legal battle with her paternal family.

Maremia

Were the girls not in care? And therefore living away from their families?

The docudrama Three Girls shows that one of the girls was from a close family; she got involved with the groomers when the family moved house and she was seeking new friends. The groomers threatened her not to speak out by saying they would burn the family house down and rape her sister, she was terrified of them. Four miles from us there were grooming gangs, one of the gang members started a relationship with one of their victims and had a child with her, she tried to break away from him when she was expecting his second child because he was abusive, she moved back in with her parents, he set fire to the family house first removing his daughter into the garden, everybody died except the girl’s father who was out of the house at the time. These people are evil and Imams have a responsibility to stop the thinking behind this kind of medieval behaviour.

Sorry Terribull I did not see your post I was repeating the case you describe, it has always been on my mind because it is so close to where we live and was also in the home town of our two granddaughters.

Mt61

She means appoint the rapist copper.
A copper was pointed out to MO as being a rapist.

Growstuff

TerriBull

Some were in care, and the grooming that took place in the care homes has been written about ad infinitum now. I don't think anyone can be in doubt just how exploited those young girls were.

Those who lived at home didn't always fare much better, as not only were they threatened so were their families. The worst case scenario is this case. Lucy Lowe of Telford, groomed and exploited from the age of 12 by 26 year old taxi driver Azhar Ali Mehmood, who set fire to her house killing 16 year old Lucy, her unborn child, her 17 year old disabled sister and her 49 year old mother. Her father survived. The scumbag escaped with Tasnim his baby daughter that this murdered child Lucy had previously given birth to. Thankfully George Lowe the surviving member of the family won custody of granddaughter Tasnim after a legal battle with her paternal family.

I didn’t know about that case. So, so very sad 😔

Jess Phillips. Another MP pretending she cares. Until the chips are down.