Reform are spending £75,000 putting up Union flags in Nottingham

"Yes, far-right groups and anti-immigration protestors frequently march and hold rallies with England and Union flags, sometimes to intimidate or protest against specific communities. This has become more common recently due to concerns over immigration, with campaigns like "Operation Raise the Colours" encouraging flag displays and some groups using the flag as a symbol of their nationalist and anti-immigrant views. "

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It's the cultural meanings of what the flags have come to represent

That is exactly why it needs to be reclaimed, surely?

growstuff I haven't been around and counted them, but that's not the point.

There are large poppies on all the lampposts in my neighbourhood

Poppies are a whole different thing. They are a symbol of Remembrance and respect.
Some lovely long stemmed versions here. Look great in a vase with 'gypsy'.

HowVeryDareYou2

growstuff I haven't been around and counted them, but that's not the point.

There are large poppies on all the lampposts in my neighbourhood

Yes, mine too, its lovely.

I strongly object to the Union Jack being referred to as an object of hatred and division. In fact I am appalled - it is a UNION Jack.

nanna8

I strongly object to the Union Jack being referred to as an object of hatred and division. In fact I am appalled - it is a UNION Jack.

A great many of us strongly object to it being used as an instrument of hatred.

It works both ways…

nanna8

I strongly object to the Union Jack being referred to as an object of hatred and division. In fact I am appalled - it is a UNION Jack.

What do you think is the outcome of flying the flag? Are we all supposed to be in union linking hands and singing patriotic songs?

The fact is that flying the flag is divisive - even amongst people who are born, bred and culturally, ethnically and historically British.

Don't know presumably the same outcome of flying pride flags, or Ukraine flags ( like the one on my car), people have never needed an outcome before.

Your pride flag is intended as support of Pride.
Your Ukraine flag is intended as support of Ukraine 🇺🇦
Correct me if I am wrong.
But, flying the Union flag or the Saint George flag, as some are doing just now, seems to have the intention of what?
The intention matters.

To be a little more precise…….the Reform NCC are replacing the frames that hold any type of flag, be it the Union Flag, Nottinghamshire flag, promoting Fostering flags………it is not for sole use of the Union flag!
Seemingly, some of the existing brackets and metalwork are damaged and worn……hence being replaced to prevent further damage/detachment that might cause injury to the public.

But growstuff asked what the outcome would be, there is zero outcome from my Ukraine car sticker, I am not expected to justify why I have it or point to an expected outcome.

Galaxy

But growstuff asked what the outcome would be, there is zero outcome from my Ukraine car sticker, I am not expected to justify why I have it or point to an expected outcome.

Fair enough! Thanks for answering Galaxy. If there really is zero outcome from flying flags, £75k seems a lot of money to spend on zero return.

PS. I don't see the point of flying Pride flags either.

GalaxyYou can stick what you like on the inside of your own car or in your own property as far as I'm concerned. However, these flags in Nottingham are on public property and are funded with public money.

Oh I agree I am not that interested in flags of any type, although probably makes me a hypocrite considering what I have just said about the flags on my car.

Nuanced? Possibly. Not necessarily a hypocrite.

BlueBelle

It’s a nightmare here, we have a man on a mission, the next town to us is a reform foothold and don’t we suffer. The divisive flags of hate are being bought out of Reforms coffers
(I am told) and flying everywhere In the roads where there are few flying they have been positioned outside Asian owned shops Chinese and Indian restaurants I am so ashamed of my country and flag at the moment and very very sad

Bluebelle I’m with you on this one . They were moaning like heck round here recently when the flags were taken down so an episode of the new harry potter series could be filmed!.
Seeing the flag flying should bring a sense of pride but it doesn’t. It fills me with fear and shame . It fills me with a sense of dread for the future

We've been driving up to London today and loads of union jack's on lamp posts - many of them upside down, which is a distress signal!

Jess20

We've been driving up to London today and loads of union jack's on lamp posts - many of them upside down, which is a distress signal!

Oh dear! Maybe they were meant as distress signals. Did you stop to investigate?

Surely I'm right in saying the left wing Birmingham council have spent similar sums taking flags down? I agree, Eazybee, our national flag is not about division and hate and I would hope that all Asian and other immigrants honour this flag and see it as a sign of welcome, a culture to be respectfully integrated with - just as we would feel if we were in, say, Bangladesh

undines I'm British and I don't like to see flags flying - do I get a say? Or is it just "patriots"? Whichever way you look at the issue, flags are divisive. As I wrote before, fly them on your own property or in your car if you want, but don't waste council tax payers' money on them.

Why would they be 'divisive flags'. Do you feel intimidated when you visit countries abroad and flags are flown on every building? It is a symbol of pride in their country. When the British do it, it's racist!!

There are times when this forum feels like Groundhog Day.

We had a long, long discussion about those flags not so long ago but here we go again...

Astitchintime What you report about the replacing of frames was not exactly what was reported in the BBC report:

Reform-led Nottinghamshire County Council is to spend £75,000 installing new flags.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czdr3npe33do

I haven't seen any official rebuttal of this report.

Bankrupt Birmingham still not emptying all bins pay people to take flags down yet still won't empty the bins. Interestingly Palestinian flags were up for about 2 years and never taken down before the St George flags got put up.