2 boat people Afghans jailed for raping 15 year old girl

It costs a fortune to keep anyone in prison, and our jails are full to bursting anyway. IMO they should be deported straightaway, no question.

Maybe Boz - but alcohol doesn't help either.

Nobody excuses rape by anybody but rape happens regularly to young girls often in their own homes. Rape often goes unreported.
This thread is another 'hate' fest this time on immigrants.

I read that the older one has already been given deportation papers, Witzend but assume that would come into effect later.
We will have to wait to see...

AGAA4

Nobody excuses rape by anybody but rape happens regularly to young girls often in their own homes. Rape often goes unreported.
This thread is another 'hate' fest this time on immigrants.

Absolutely, this from the start seemed to me clearly to be the intention of this thread.

AGAA4

Nobody excuses rape by anybody but rape happens regularly to young girls often in their own homes. Rape often goes unreported.
This thread is another 'hate' fest this time on immigrants.

There is no defence.
If these two are 'asylum seekers, seeking refuge and protection in this country but instead brought fear and the violation of a young girl to our streets.

There is no defence and to suggest this happens here anyway is disingenuous.

They do not deserve safety and protection here.
They give other true asylum seekers a bad name.

Wyllow3

AGAA4

Nobody excuses rape by anybody but rape happens regularly to young girls often in their own homes. Rape often goes unreported.
This thread is another 'hate' fest this time on immigrants.

Absolutely, this from the start seemed to me clearly to be the intention of this thread.

So do you think this should not be discussed?

What do you think other, decent refugees think of this?

Boz

Sago

BlueBelle

I ve never ever seen a headline …..
White Englishman rapes child Yes it happens daily

It probably does but the number of sexual crimes committed by immigrants/asylum seekers is disproportionate.

I don't know whether this has been previously discussed but I believe there is an expectation of "easy- going" sexual availability in Western Cultures. They think girls are up for grabs; not true of course.
I am not condoning rape; just trying to work out why.

This, exactly this!

I tried to raise this in my thread on the wearing of the burka.

An Asian journalist suggested that because men come from countries where women are covered they see Western dress as a signal that a woman/girl is available.

I also wonder if most sex in these countries is rape, men have little or no respect for women.

It’s no wonder we have a problem.

I don't get the anger about the finger being pointed at foreign abusers, here courtesy of the tax payer, as opposed to a British sexual abusers and criminals. Of course such incidents cause the same horror. Their mugshots would be all over the media too and rightly so. Joseph McCann, remember him? someone let him out of prison early and then he went on a massive spree of kidnap and rape. It was all over the papers, just one horrific example. I've also read exposes of men who go abroad to have sex with children Gary Glitter being the most infamous and they deserve all the negative publicity about their disgusting crimes. The elephant in the room that is being ignored in instances such as this latest case, are the two young men are here seeking asylum, they want to stay in this country and yet they have committed a heinous crime. Of course we will always will have in our midst, sexual abusers,criminals, murderers who are British nationals, their DNA has nothing to do with it, they will come under the umbrella of "British" because that's their nationality, they would hold a British passport, so on and so forth. Only one of my grandparents is British through and through, many of us are a mixture of different races and ethnic groups, that's a massive side issue. Yes we have our people who behave badly both here and abroad, and they sometimes drag us down into the mire as how foreigners frame us as a nation. However, time and time again we have young men seeking asylum in this country who carry out criminal acts, surely the anger should be directed at them, firstly for what this poor child has suffered and then for abusing the laws of their host country and finally for besmirching their fellow Afghans (in this case) by their behaviour. I've mentioned this before, because I know the town well, Bournemouth has three asylum hotels, one right opposite a 6th form college and a disproportionate number of the men from those hotels are awaiting criminal trials. The latest case I read about, a woman dragged into woodland and raped by one of them on Bonfire night, she wasn't the first that suffered that fate since these hotels have been open another was raped in a public toilet. Not too far from me is a Sheraton hotel close to Gatwick housing asylum seekers. How many would such a hotel house I couldn't say, but two cases that have been in the news, both local and national, One Iraqi for stalking a young girl on to a train and then forcing himself on her asking for sex. Another grabbing women in intimate places. His defence when he went to court, he didn't know such behaviour wasn't socially acceptable here and he got a suspended sentence, the three women who were assaulted were gutted with the outcome. He didn't know grabbing a woman round the crotch area isn't acceptable, what lame load of spurious crap is that Should this not be reported, should those women just shrug it off and shut up about it, would you if it happened to your younger self, your daughter, your granddaughter ? There are cultural differences as to how "SOME" relate to women that is the problem, it's not to say all their fellow asylum seekers are going to behave in that way anymore than British football hooligans represent every football fan who goes abroad. Certain demographics are over represented in sexual assaults. I believe in Germany when they saw an upsurge in female assaults by asylum seekers they sought to educate the young man coming there in how they should behave towards girls and women and to know in no uncertain terms that to carry out a sexual assault will automatically forfeit the right to stay here. Perhaps that approach should be adopted. I sincerely hope when these two young men, one looked positively baby faced, are deported without further ado of umpteen appeals when they come out of prison. In the meantime spare a thought for the young 15 year old who has developed extreme anxiety, rather than the two young men who just used her for their own gratification.

TerriBull an excellent post, I agree with your every word.

Spot on TerriBull

Reading the harrowing details of the rape of the girl, some of which recorded on her mobile, she pleaded with them,'Please don't kill me' and I immediately thought of Rhiannon White, who was murdered quite senselessly, by a migrant who had watched and followed her from the migrant hotel where he was housed in Walsall.
It is perfectly legitimate for people to be deeply concerned about the behaviour of these illegal migrants and about the danger to young women, and to express their feelings.
Some years ago, it was footballers.
To set the balance right, I recall a young footballer who picked up an extremely drunk girl, took her back to a hotel room, and thoughtfully phoned his friend, footballer Chedwyn Evans to join in , which he did and enthusiastically raped her. [The older Afghan phoned his friend to come and join in, which he did, hence this reference]
Evans was convicted of rape, the defence hinged on whether the girl was too drunk to give consent. He served half his sentence; later though an appeal, funded by his fiancee's father, resting on the girl's sexual history, the sentence was quashed. The girl's name was released illegally, she was hounded and traduced and her life ruined.
Ched Evans is still playing football for Fleetwood Town; his fiancee married him, because she was able to overlook 'his 'cheating.' A charming couple.

The girl in this migrant case was drinking vodka, and this may well be used when these Afghans appeal their sentence.

I do agree that all young men arriving in this country should be instructed about unacceptable behaviour and firmly told that if they commit a crime they will be deported with no chance of return.

The media loves this sort of story as it sells newspapers. It's a wind them up and see them go story. If a young white man who has been brought up here rapes a girl there will be very little reported. Those brought up here know that rape is wrong.

Hence the need to educate all young men who arrive on our shores. They will have been told that western women are easy and they can do what they like.

I'd also make this analogy. White western men have been visiting countries in south east Asia as sex tourists for quite some time, worst case scenarios they abuse children. If, the lone single western white male in countries such as Thailand or Vietnam is viewed with suspicion as to why he's travelling there, would we throw our hands up in horror of "they are unnfairly having hate and suspicion directed at them" I don't know, maybe, maybe not. What we do know is that seemy side of exploitation has been a thing for a while. Of course not all men would be there for such puposes and would be unfairly besmirched, but some do. The wider issue is about respecting other cultures, that's a two way street, or should be.

You have it in a nutshell, Terribull, as usual.

I don’t accept the argument that the perpetrator didn’t know it wasn’t socially acceptable in the UK. Is it acceptable to act in that way in Iraq? I very much doubt it.

Have you ever seen the advice booklets on life in Britain that were given to GIs in the war? Maybe they should be republished.

SueDonim

You have it in a nutshell, Terribull, as usual.

I don’t accept the argument that the perpetrator didn’t know it wasn’t socially acceptable in the UK. Is it acceptable to act in that way in Iraq? I very much doubt it.

is it acceptable to act in that way in Iraq
It’s not acceptable to the women but Iraqi men believe it is.
This article is 5 years old but this thinking can’t be changed in 5 years.

www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/violence-against-women-permeates-all-aspects-life-iraq

The situation Re rape in Afghanistan is so bad the the UN are calling it a crime against humanity.

www.ohchr.org/en/meeting-summaries/2024/06/human-rights-council-hears-severity-violations-against-women-and-girls

Thank you petra

Horrible to read, but we really should if only to understand the mindset of some of the men coming into the UK

In both instances. These trash shoild have been doported as soon as they foot in the country.

And how about sending a bill to the countries whose citizens are deported thsen bck to live there.

Think hotel, court. jail costs.

Why are we paying these costs?

Advice booklets on our ways here would be absolutely advisable imo. Goodness knows - if I had to be instructed in their (only slightly different) ways in Denmark and duly took note then how much more is it the case that people from such a different culture need such booklets. Not just about our sexual mores...but the various other differences as well (eg we expect people to form an orderly queue if there's several people waiting for something to quote just one obvious example of things we take for granted). So - yep both sexual behaviour (where one could basically sum it up as "Do not treat women as lesser beings than men - because we know they aren't"....ie whatever way they wanted to put that).

I think unless someone is British and has spent the vast majority or all of their life in Britain then one doesn't realise just how much we've automatically absorbed about how to lead our lives here and don't even think of other ways to do things - as we've just automatically done them the way/thought the way we've seen demonstrated to us for decades of our life.

Wyllow3

AGAA4

Nobody excuses rape by anybody but rape happens regularly to young girls often in their own homes. Rape often goes unreported.
This thread is another 'hate' fest this time on immigrants.

Absolutely, this from the start seemed to me clearly to be the intention of this thread.

Why see racism on so many threads when it isn’t there? The amount of rapes and sexual assaults on girls and women by men that we have taken into our country to have a better life is truly shocking.

Another report of an Afghan national raping a girl in Bolton.
Also a case in Bristol.

A leaflet explaining any of this to these men is useless.
They have no respect for women and no respect for us British citizens, we are infidels, they look down on us and feel they can do as they wish.

Sago I just heard that on the BBC radio news, a 28 year old Afghan national has been charged with raping two 14 year old girls.

It is just endless…

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