Woman shot and killed by ICE officers in Minneapolis, Minnesota

Starfire57

Syracute

I find that Starfire ( whether intentional or not ) tries to dominate the conversation with very long comments with a lot of spacing in between that creates a very dominant effect.

That's an interesting take. However, I do a lot of spacing because I always hear people say how hard and annoying it is to read long azz paragraphs. Once I was even told to make more spacing from a friend. So now, that's what I do.

But, way to assume and judge there, eh?

So I assume you educate people on other forums, too?

NYT today

“Good morning, world! One of the differences between a free society and an authoritarian state is the relationship between security forces and citizens. In a democracy, police officers are assigned to protect the rights of civilians. When security forces are deployed against citizens, it’s often viewed as a sign of creeping authoritarianism.

Last week an American federal immigration agent shot Renee Good, a U.S. citizen, three times in the face in Minneapolis. Last night, a federal agent shot and injured a man in the same city. President Trump has sent ICE agents into cities across America, often to the dismay of local residents. The president of the Minneapolis City Council said the agents, with their assault rifles and combat gear, “feel like an occupying force.””

Imagine say a city in the U.K. being occupied by a paramilitary force because the government has decided to arrest every “immigrant” with the citizens being frightened to go into the streets snd challenging the para-military behaviour for fear of being shot.

Trump has talking about “filthy Somalis” who are in the USA as a result of the “perpetual war” being perpetrated over 60 years in Somalia by the USA. We assume that the Somalis have applied for snd been granted refugee status by the USA?

What is dirty about Somalis? Does anyone know?

Somalia is no longer an unsafe country and refugees are to be returned from the USA. Any migrant/refugee committing benefit fraud is to be deported. America First.
I don’t know whether Somalia is safe or unsafe but right now, the USA doesn’t seem safe either!

Starfire, it is legal, in Britain, to retain a subject in custody for a very limited time. If, within two days, insufficient evidence is found to charge them, they must be released.
May I ask wahat the permitted detention time is in the United States.

And Elegran, thank you for your post
It confirms my stated suspicions about the calibre and training of the recent ICE recruits. I am astonished to read that, within six weeks of recruitment, agents are on the streets with guns. I said, in my previous post, tongue in cheek "What could possibly go wrong?"

MayBee70

Starfire57

Syracute

I find that Starfire ( whether intentional or not ) tries to dominate the conversation with very long comments with a lot of spacing in between that creates a very dominant effect.

That's an interesting take. However, I do a lot of spacing because I always hear people say how hard and annoying it is to read long azz paragraphs. Once I was even told to make more spacing from a friend. So now, that's what I do.

But, way to assume and judge there, eh?

So I assume you educate people on other forums, too?

I usually don't correspond to a friend (the one that told me my paragraphs are too long) via forums, like most people. God, do I have to spell out everything?

Interesting to read that the authoritarianism being dished out by Trump is being questioned by the US media.

I hope that people are beginning to work out whether this is what they really want.

What is the option? wwm2

So many informative posts on here just now. Thanks to the Posters who have taken time to do this.

Will take some time to properly read them. Think it will be worth it.

Maremia

So many informative posts on here just now. Thanks to the Posters who have taken time to do this.

Yes! I meant to say the same and forgot.

But seconded.

Starfire57
The attempts to get anyone off a thread because they hold another opinion are legion.I just take no notice of it or if it gets personal I report it to the moderators. We all have a right to our say and if others don’t like it it’s too bad. Any post to you that moans about the way you phrase a comment, or it’s too long or accuse you of trying to educate and so on are just weak attempts to get a poster to shut up and go away and leave a thread to an echo chamber.
So carry on as long as you want to on here, there’s no reason why one US poster is welcome and another not purely based on their views, and frankly that’s not usually the British way of doing things.

Chocolatelovinggran

Starfire, it is legal, in Britain, to retain a subject in custody for a very limited time. If, within two days, insufficient evidence is found to charge them, they must be released.
May I ask wahat the permitted detention time is in the United States.

You could also ask Syracute if he/she is on here first.

ronib

What is the option? wwm2

For Gransnet members, the first option is to stop attacking each other and look behind opinions we don't agree with at the facts which cause them and us to hold those opinions, and at the source of those facts.

Many posters sieve media reports to remove AI pictures and partisan over-enthusiasm to keep only verifiable facts and first-person accounts and videos. Some post links to reliable sources like the actual laws and regulations that apply in flammable situations. Others, as they say in my area, just open their mouths and let their bellies rumble. Anyone who can't be bothered to acquaint themselves with two areas - what should happen and what did happen in reality - should keep a low profile.

At ground point zero, the best option is that the US should have people in office at the head of every government department who know the constitution and are prepared to act under the law, who are qualified and experienced in their area of power, and who have already proved that they have a care the welfare of ALL the people in the land. In addition, they should also believe that the land itself, the mountains and plains and rivers and animals, is a living system, to be cherished, and not plundered for individual million and billionaires to get even more rich, to the detriment of land and people. Oh, and they should be aware that the rest of the world is not a lucky dip bucket for the US to grab and exploit.

Then America could become great again.

The US do things differently to us, just as most countries in the world do.
There will rightly be an investigation into the shooting, and everyone will just have to accept the verdict whatever it is.

I don’t think there’s a single one of us on here who hasn’t read all the reports in the news about it or seen the various videos with sound, so saw it and heard it.I further don’t think there’s a single one of us that thinks it was anything less than a tragedy for the driver and I don’t think there’s a single one of us who think that she deserved it.
The only point that I can see where we do differ is that a few of us think that she and her wife made a mistake in thinking that taunting language and obstruction using a car wasn’t a dangerous thing to do.Then, at the end, driving away so physically close to the ICE officer.A mistake which sadly cost a life.
We don’t know all the ins and outs of this however much we may think we do which is why an investigation is so important.

Oreo

Starfire57
The attempts to get anyone off a thread because they hold another opinion are legion.I just take no notice of it or if it gets personal I report it to the moderators. We all have a right to our say and if others don’t like it it’s too bad. Any post to you that moans about the way you phrase a comment, or it’s too long or accuse you of trying to educate and so on are just weak attempts to get a poster to shut up and go away and leave a thread to an echo chamber.
So carry on as long as you want to on here, there’s no reason why one US poster is welcome and another not purely based on their views, and frankly that’s not usually the British way of doing things.

Thankyou, I do appreciate you saying something about it all. It can get irritating here at times.

Very true Starfire57

Yes, Elegran that's a good and very obvious point, that people in charge should be experienced and qualified.
Unfortunately, Trump prefers 'fawners'.

By the way, spellcheck thinks your name is Elegant.

I could ask Syracute, Oreo, but I was responding to Starfire's slightly patronising comment about how I should know that suspects can be detained by the police.
I posted that I did know this, and that, in Britain, there are time limits on this.
I asked the poster about time limitations on being held in custody in the USA.

Laws are bent every day by ICE .
The laws are being pushed by ICE by moving those detained to various jails and often very far away from their communities.
In this case Fort Snelling which has a historically been a place of great suffering for the Lakota.

The Native Americans are known homeless in the community.
There is some disagreement between Noem and the tribal leaders.

The problem with the three detained American Indians is that they are known homeless without paperwork. They are acknowledged by the tribal leaders as part of their Lakota community.
Noem is pushing for documentation and the tribal leaders don’t feel the need to provide it due their rights as Native Americans and laws that differentiate from traditional US laws.

Meanwhile, they are in Fort Snelling a place that is historically challenging due abuse and imprisonment of Indians going back to 1862.

Syracute 13.44- thanks for that explanation.

Have read about a further ICE officer shooting someone in the leg after shovel attack- by 2 Minneapolis residents who came to Venezuelan suspect’s aid. Over 3000 ICE officers now present and tensions running high with local population. It all sounds horrendous.

Trump is threatening now to invoke the Insurrection Act which will have the military be brought in if he actually invokes it.
So not only is he threatening war with other countries but as well with his own people.

He tries that threat before with the George Floyd riots but was talked out of it by his advisers. I am not sure that he will be talked out of it this time,

Whitewavemark2

Maremia

So many informative posts on here just now. Thanks to the Posters who have taken time to do this.

Yes! I meant to say the same and forgot.

But seconded.

Thirded 👍🏼