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Wyllow3 Mon 04-May-26 08:33:40

Headlines in I player

"Iran threatens to attack US forces in Strait of Hormuz as Trump says military will help stranded ships"

"Iran threatens to attack US forces if they enter the Strait of Hormuz, after Donald Trump said the US would help stranded ships out of key waterway

Trump says the US military will start guiding stranded ships out of the strait from *Monday morning, Middle East time

Ie, today, now. Iran of course threatens to act against it.

"Some 20,000 seafarers and 2,000 ships have been unable to leave the strait since the US-Iran war began, the head of the International Maritime Organization said last week
But the Iranian military insists it controls the strait, and that it will attack "any foreign armed force" that tries to enter - "especially the aggressive US army"

Its on the Live Feed
www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c1wz2ld4535t

At the same time Trump insists "talks are going well".

But surely this means - US troops/ships on the ground which wont go down well at home? And possible escalation - again.
and knock on effects on our domestic front.

Oreo Mon 04-May-26 16:03:22

If you have to pick a side it has to be the US.

Cossy Mon 04-May-26 16:03:34

Oreo

Why?

But those are memes, none of them are real, this is something posted on fb by some illustrating what an idiot Trump is, I doubt the Iranian regime will even have seen this.

I don’t know what Petra meant by they, but I’ll wager she didn’t mean the Iranian Regime, I read it as the mockery amused her!

Cossy Mon 04-May-26 16:04:57

Oreo

If you have to pick a side it has to be the US.

I won’t pick a side, the leaders of all three countries, and I stress again, the leaders are all equally as bad as each other.

Cossy Mon 04-May-26 16:07:15

I did not take Petra’s comment as supporting the Iranians regime!

Oreo Mon 04-May-26 16:07:36

Amusing mockery of anyone who isn’t the Iranian regime, yes, sounds balanced.🤬

Oreo Mon 04-May-26 16:08:06

Cossy

Oreo

If you have to pick a side it has to be the US.

I won’t pick a side, the leaders of all three countries, and I stress again, the leaders are all equally as bad as each other.

They’re actually not!

Oreo Mon 04-May-26 16:09:13

Has DT just had 36,000 at a conservative estimate, of his own citizens murdered?

LemonJam Mon 04-May-26 16:09:33

US has a peace plan and Iran has a peace plan- the parties have various options:

1) negotiate and reach an agreed peace plan settlement to end the war during a ceasefire that all parties observe and adhere to
2) negotiate and reach an agreed peace plan settlement to end the war but all parties do not adhere to a cease fire during talks- trust reduces and chance of peace plan settlement reduces accordingly
3) not come to the table to negotiate a peace plan at all, one party makes a threat and so other retaliates with their threat.
4) One party attacks so the other retaliates
5) the war continues
6) all parties agree to other bodies, countries to step in and offer support to mediate negotiations towards a peace plan settlement.

Any other suggestions?

Wyllow3 Mon 04-May-26 16:10:08

That is not a fact, it is an opinion.

It is all we have to offer - with evidence - and why we are discussing it.

LemonJam Mon 04-May-26 16:10:39

Yes there is Israel- but it seems Trump has taken the lead from their perspective on negotiations thus far.....

Oreo Mon 04-May-26 16:10:47

Iran bankrolls Hamas, Hezbollah and dozens of violent Islamist extremist groups and is therefore guilty of murdering millions.

Oreo Mon 04-May-26 16:13:51

Wyllow3

That is not a fact, it is an opinion.

It is all we have to offer - with evidence - and why we are discussing it.

I’m discussing it too but you don’t seem to want to even think about Iran being the terrible regime they actually are, you say blandly that they’re all as bad which is so ridiculous that I can’t even deal with it.

Allira Mon 04-May-26 16:16:24

Oreo

Or are posters happy to see the Iranians doing what they like to any shipping?
The stalemate has to be broken.

Iran does not have legal control of the Straits of Hormuz.

The UN Convention on the Law of the Sea makes clear that “all ships and aircraft enjoy the right of transit passage, which shall not be impeded” and that “States bordering straits shall not hamper transit passage.”

Iran is not a party to the Convention, but the obligations here are considered to be part of customary international law - therefore binding nevertheless - and Iran has in any case indicated, in the past, that it recognises this position.

Dr Mark Chadwick
Nottingham Law School
19 March 2026

Oreo Mon 04-May-26 16:18:18

LemonJam

US has a peace plan and Iran has a peace plan- the parties have various options:

1) negotiate and reach an agreed peace plan settlement to end the war during a ceasefire that all parties observe and adhere to
2) negotiate and reach an agreed peace plan settlement to end the war but all parties do not adhere to a cease fire during talks- trust reduces and chance of peace plan settlement reduces accordingly
3) not come to the table to negotiate a peace plan at all, one party makes a threat and so other retaliates with their threat.
4) One party attacks so the other retaliates
5) the war continues
6) all parties agree to other bodies, countries to step in and offer support to mediate negotiations towards a peace plan settlement.

Any other suggestions?

Yes, the one which will likely actually happen, in that Iran will have to satisfy the US before the war can definitively end, which means Iran caving to most demands.Despite what Iran says about cards, it doesn’t have any.

Allira Mon 04-May-26 16:18:22

Cossy

Haha so sorry Oreo first line should read “who” not “you”! Of course you didn’t start this war! If you had though, I’d wager you’d have had an exit plan and dealt with things differently!

Oreo I’m a little surprised that you don’t appear to recall you started this war and caused this big fat mess?

I was beginning to wonder just what powers Oreo has 😲
Then saw your correction.

Oreo Mon 04-May-26 16:20:54

Allira

Oreo

Or are posters happy to see the Iranians doing what they like to any shipping?
The stalemate has to be broken.

Iran does not have legal control of the Straits of Hormuz.

The UN Convention on the Law of the Sea makes clear that “all ships and aircraft enjoy the right of transit passage, which shall not be impeded” and that “States bordering straits shall not hamper transit passage.”

Iran is not a party to the Convention, but the obligations here are considered to be part of customary international law - therefore binding nevertheless - and Iran has in any case indicated, in the past, that it recognises this position.

Dr Mark Chadwick
Nottingham Law School
19 March 2026

Iran is going to have to recognise this fact before very long.It wants some kind of legality for its claim to the Strait so I have read which has been rejected.

Oreo Mon 04-May-26 16:22:06

Haha Allira it made me 😂 too. I am actually a high up in Centcom, but shhhhh!

LemonJam Mon 04-May-26 16:37:07

Oreo

LemonJam

US has a peace plan and Iran has a peace plan- the parties have various options:

1) negotiate and reach an agreed peace plan settlement to end the war during a ceasefire that all parties observe and adhere to
2) negotiate and reach an agreed peace plan settlement to end the war but all parties do not adhere to a cease fire during talks- trust reduces and chance of peace plan settlement reduces accordingly
3) not come to the table to negotiate a peace plan at all, one party makes a threat and so other retaliates with their threat.
4) One party attacks so the other retaliates
5) the war continues
6) all parties agree to other bodies, countries to step in and offer support to mediate negotiations towards a peace plan settlement.

Any other suggestions?

Yes, the one which will likely actually happen, in that Iran will have to satisfy the US before the war can definitively end, which means Iran caving to most demands.Despite what Iran says about cards, it doesn’t have any.

It seems the situation is currently at 3) and Trump/US does not want to come to the table to negotiate respective peace plans. Also so no current signs of Iran caving in any time soon.

Time will tell whether US, Iran and Israel will move through stages 4) and 5) and what impact that has.

Time will tell how long it may take until Iran caves in to most of US demands and whether they actually will.

Oreo Mon 04-May-26 16:41:25

There may be a few demands that the US and Israel can live with, but Iran will have to drop a lot of what it desires if it doesn’t want the war to start again.

Oreo Mon 04-May-26 16:42:43

The so called Supreme Leader is still nowhere to be found, so who is actually running anything?

AGAA4 Mon 04-May-26 16:54:17

The Iranians say the regime is out for vengeance. They said it has been more determined since they, Iran, won the war.
Strange that both sides say they have won. I don't think this will resolve soon.
I think Trump kicked the hornet's nest when he started this war and everyone is being stung.
Iran is a dreadful regime and seems worse than before. The Trump regime consists of people using illicit means to make money.
Neither seems to care at all for their own citizens.

Oreo Mon 04-May-26 17:41:00

Iran have to say ‘they won the war’ to satisfy their own high opinion of themselves and to reassure their supporters that they’re in charge, despite all that has happened to the country.
In reality some of the regime are still there which is all they can call a win.
The US can’t kill all the regime leaders or there’ll be nobody left to deal with.It could however knock out all the bridges and other infrastructure if it wanted to, but hopefully it won’t come to that.

Oreo Mon 04-May-26 17:42:43

Trump is saying that the US has won, and of course that will be true if the peace deal satisfies the UN and Israel.

foxie48 Mon 04-May-26 17:53:01

Sadly there are so many losers in this war. The Iranians have a more hard line regime, Lebanon is being devastated with 1.2 million people displaced, poor countries in Asia are really struggling and everyone else in the world except for the very rich are significantly worse off now than they were a few weeks ago. What has this war achieved? Absolutely nothing!

David49 Mon 04-May-26 17:53:41

Im not sure what Trump is intending to do, if he is intending to allow all the ships trapped in the Gulf out, thats highly unlikely to work.
Are some ships trapped within the Straight of Hormuz by the US blockade?.