Rochdale - Grooming gang leader released from jail today

Understood - he is, effectively, stateless.

The voice of reason as usual Oreo the amazing Maggie Oliver has just been on GMB saying the same thing - where there's a will there's a way. It has to be found.

Presently he's stateless, Pakistan is the country he was a citizen of. I'm sure some pressure could be put on Pakistan to accept him back if they want the UK to grant visas to their citizens wishing to come here. I imagine that traffic of people is pretty one way. As such they should be prepared to take back their criminals, most countries operate some sort of quid pro quo on situations that don't present as clear cut.

Yes, TerriBull the suspension of all visas from Pakistan was a suggestion on GMB.

I do think that after 55 years in the UK, and as a British citizen, he is our responsibility. If he isn’t, then surely Shamima Begum is? I totally understand the need for this man to serve his full sentence, but not why somebody who has left Pakistan 55 years ago and is no longer their citizen becomes the responsibility of Pakistan,

Casdon

I do think that after 55 years in the UK, and as a British citizen, he is our responsibility. If he isn’t, then surely Shamima Begum is? I totally understand the need for this man to serve his full sentence, but not why somebody who has left Pakistan 55 years ago and is no longer their citizen becomes the responsibility of Pakistan,

I must have been mistaken earlier. I understood that he had been a dual national and still had Pakistan citizenship.

Chocolatelovinggran

Primrose, barristers ( if that is who you mean in your post) do not "queue up to act" for anyone. The system is the opposite: the individual seeks the services of a barrister via the clerk of their chambers, who allocates cases depending on the availability of each advocate.

Thank you for your apology regarding my use of the term “lawyers” etc. 😉

Apparently, he relinquished his Pakistani citizenship years ago.

He's walking around free.

Not exactly 'free' Nannee

A spokeswoman for the Home Office said:

"On his release he will be on the sex offenders' register for life, ordered to stay away from his victims and banned from contacting any child or young person.

"As well as facing strict curfews and restriction zones, his every movement will be tracked, forced to wear an electronic tag. Should he breach his conditions, he will be immediately locked up."

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/grooming-gang-leader-can-t-be-deported-after-release-from-prison-this-week/ar-AA26UTr5

Primrose53

Chocolatelovinggran

Primrose, barristers ( if that is who you mean in your post) do not "queue up to act" for anyone. The system is the opposite: the individual seeks the services of a barrister via the clerk of their chambers, who allocates cases depending on the availability of each advocate.

Thank you for your apology regarding my use of the term “lawyers” etc. 😉

sure right Chocolatelovinggran- only barristers can act and speak on behalf of client's in court.

I also agree barristers can't queue up to act for anyone it's not possible or permitted. That's because The Bar Standards Board, BSB established the Cab Rank Rule so that a self employed barrister must accept any brief or instructions from a client to appear in court. The request can come into a chambers as you describe and if so the chambers clerk distributes cases to whichever barrister is available to take the case at the time. All barristers therefore always have cases allocated to them and must be take a case even if they don't not want it

Thats because the BSB stipulates a barrister can not refuse to take a case based on the client's identity , the nature of the case or any personal opinions they hold about the client's character or cause

You're- not sure

In terms of sex offenders, breaching conditions can at times mean damage to women and children, so it isnt that reassuring.

I've thought for a long time Shamima Begum should be allowed to return she was 15 at the time, and like many mid teens, impeded by lack of judgement in making a foolish decision in the naivety of youth. Expert opinions suggest the teenage brain isn't fully wired. She was also quite possibly groomed on line.

As for this Jabba the Hutt lookalike, I really don't accept he's this country's responsibility. He carried out his wicked attacks against those children as a fully formed adult. For such appalling behaviour he shouldn't be allowed to stay here and Pakistan should take him back he belongs there. I think Andy Burnham would garner a lot of support to that end. We've already heard that one of the women are terrified that she may encounter him. The women are the victims and what they want and feel should be paramount.

Yes i have always said Begum is our responsibility.

You have way more faith in the process than me MaizieD the process that's let down those children time & time & time again.

If justice were to be truly served he should be at the bottom of a very deep oubliette, perhaps he would understand a punishment as mediaeval as his mindset.

Galaxy

In terms of sex offenders, breaching conditions can at times mean damage to women and children, so it isnt that reassuring.

I didn't say it was 'reassuring', I just said he wasn't 'free'.

I don't like the fact that it appears he can't be deported any more than anyone else does. But he won't be free to disappear without trace.

I agree he's not "free"- he's served 14 years of a 21 years sentence and now released on licence, ie under restrictions.

He is in 24 hour staffed accommodation, wearing an electronically monitored tag. Any breach of license conditions sends him straight back to prison.

The government is looking at ways to deport him back to Pakistan which as far as I can tell all posters agree and support the government's efforts.

This would be all well and good but it was known as far back as 2013 that he could not be deported so why all the hoohaa and head scratching and what do we do with him now nonsense?

He was released with the Government knowing this is the case. Totally cynical, placatory, false hand wringing BS.

Indeed, LemonJam. I have barristers in my family, and they have spoken of being given briefs that they would have preferred not to take.

the usa has alot problems right now but in the real world nothe orange this real laws and i have livedin 4 states andthe ones that werenot from rich and/or crooked they all are still there
or dead look ateach one
we are trying

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_laws_in_the_United_States

I suppose there are " hidden victims", possibly many family members.

Pakistan seems to have legal grounds for refusing to take this man, so the alternative is to keep him in prison until a country can be found to accept him, very unlikely it would seem.

I cannot understand why he is being released early when he is clearly such a risk to the community; six years at least left to serve depending on the length of his sentence.
Is there any explanation for this?

eazybee

Pakistan seems to have legal grounds for refusing to take this man, so the alternative is to keep him in prison until a country can be found to accept him, very unlikely it would seem.

I cannot understand why he is being released early when he is clearly such a risk to the community; six years at least left to serve depending on the length of his sentence.
Is there any explanation for this?

See prisoners advice service on line for explanation, rules and laws on fixed term sentences.

For sex offenders it’s usual to serve half sentence term in prison and the other half on licence. He’s served more than the average before being released on licence…

eazybee

Pakistan seems to have legal grounds for refusing to take this man, so the alternative is to keep him in prison until a country can be found to accept him, very unlikely it would seem.

I cannot understand why he is being released early when he is clearly such a risk to the community; six years at least left to serve depending on the length of his sentence.
Is there any explanation for this?

What I understand is that he’s now served two thirds of his sentence and so release is automatic. Earlier he applied for parole at least twice I think but was deemed not fit. I don’t understand why after two thirds it’s automatic release on licence

Has been automatic for about 10 years now and the Conservative Party extended this eligibility in Police Crime and Court Sentencing Act 2022.