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Burqa or niqab- why can’t people get it right?

(114 Posts)
maryeliza54 Sat 11-Aug-18 09:28:58

Just that really

Luckygirl Sat 11-Aug-18 09:31:40

Well - because they are not part of our culture. I do not demand of myself that I understand all the nuances of all religions.

maryeliza54 Sat 11-Aug-18 09:36:50

Its not a nuance - it’s a basic mistake and if people demand the right to express their opinions they might at least get their facts right. And that includes BJ

oldbatty Sat 11-Aug-18 09:48:19

" our culture" is multicultural. People cant get it right, because they dont want to. Its just some Muslim in weird clothes.

Synonymous Sat 11-Aug-18 09:55:19

Whatever and whichever it is certainly misogyny at it's most contemptible. sad

gillybob Sat 11-Aug-18 09:58:38

Who cares ? The two with the face covering are just plain evil whatever they are called .
The other two are just headscarves really .

BlueBelle Sat 11-Aug-18 09:59:59

Why can’t people leave others alone to wear what the bleep bleep they like what trouble is it if someone else prefers to cover themselves and I prefer to let the sun shine on all ‘acceptable’ parts of my body it’s my right and their right Surely this is what makes the world a far more interesting place or shall we have a uniform English outfit that we all wear
What next Sikhs are made fun of because they wear turbans or Jewish men’s curls or little hats, a judge’s formal wig or the queens guards busby BJ looks a booming mess whatever he wears and the general public may make fun of him but you d not here a politician standing up and saying anything derogatory would you
It s just more incitement to divide the country absolutely diabolical

merlotgran Sat 11-Aug-18 10:10:22

I agree with Luckygirl. I know the difference but I doubt DH does. It's not disrespect, he just wouldn't think it necessary to learn.

I doubt either of us could name the different components of a clergyman's garb even though it is part of our culture.

Does it matter? hmm

MawBroon Sat 11-Aug-18 10:11:33

You have a point Maryeliza
Argument from an uninformed point of view or without full or any knowledge of the facts carries rather less weight in my opinion.
Which I think takes us back to silly comments such as those which initiated the whole furore.

Chewbacca Sat 11-Aug-18 10:14:36

I don't care what the face covering garments are called to be honest. I just know that I don't like them.

Eglantine21 Sat 11-Aug-18 10:16:36

Well I do know the difference. How could I not after all the publicity. But otherwise it would be for the same reason I can’t tell Dior from - actually I can’t even think of another fashion house. I’m not that interested in fashion.

Wear what you like. Eat what you like. Worship whoever you think is out there.

Afford me the same respect.

Blinko Sat 11-Aug-18 10:20:34

Whatever it's called, it's not the clothing per se that people seem to find alien. It's the face covering aspect of it. That alone. And, as has been said more than once, it's not a religious requirement.

Lazigirl Sat 11-Aug-18 10:21:13

Thanks for that MawBroon. I didn't know but I do now smile

Blinko Sat 11-Aug-18 10:26:29

Maw B thanks. I have seen some of these on the street. Birmingham is very much a multi cultural city. I hadn't heard of two by name.

All information helps with this issue.

I would very much welcome input from someone who actually wears a face covering, to better understand where they're coming from.

Not sure there are any on GN though. I wonder how diverse we are on here.

Lazigirl Sat 11-Aug-18 10:33:38

Not very I would guess Blinko.

ninathenana Sat 11-Aug-18 10:42:54

Are the different styles worn by different sections of muslims/completley different religions ? Or are they just personal choice.

Just curious.

MissAdventure Sat 11-Aug-18 10:43:39

Now there's a can of worms!

merlotgran Sat 11-Aug-18 10:49:49

I've been wondering that, nina. Take Nadiya Hussein for instance. I thought she wore a hijab on Bake Off, in fact she talks about wearing a hijab but looking at Maw's pictures it was more like a khimar - which I've never heard of. She now wears a turban.

No wonder folk get confused.

Joelsnan Sat 11-Aug-18 10:53:00

Its because they are even called different things in the countries where they are more commonly worn.

MissAdventure Sat 11-Aug-18 10:55:28

The woman I used to chat to changed the type of covering she wore at various stages in her life.
She covered up as a teen, went uncovered for a good few years, then decided to cover up as she got older.

oldbatty Sat 11-Aug-18 11:00:24

I dont think you can describe a headscarf as evil.

Juggernaut Sat 11-Aug-18 11:17:51

The only problem I have with Niqabs and to a greater degree Burqas, is that they both prevent identification of whomever is wearing them.
We are to assume that there is always a woman underneath all that fabric.
Several times already, men have worn Burqas to evade security services, so to always assume it's a woman would be completely wrong. Even if it is a woman in the garb, she's still completely anonymous (and following the news this past week, we now know that being female does not prevent fundamentalists planning terrorist attacks), and I have a huge problem with that!
If I walked into a crowded shopping area, concert, or any other large public gathering wearing a long flowing robe, my arms and hands not visible and a 'Lone Ranger' mask across my eyes, I'd be challenged pretty quickly.
Double standards?

gillybob Sat 11-Aug-18 11:33:02

I don’t think anyone has described a headscarf as evil oldbatty confused

merlotgran Sat 11-Aug-18 11:43:32

I hope not, gilly or the Queen might have a comment or two to add.

oldbatty Sat 11-Aug-18 12:11:45

If I walked into a crowded shopping area, concert, or any other large public gathering wearing a long flowing robe, my arms and hands not visible and a 'Lone Ranger' mask across my eyes, I'd be challenged pretty quickly

I don't think so.