What happened to 'th' ?

Burglery instead of burglary always gets me shouting at the tv.

My grandchildren all talk about"me and somebody are going to do such and such" I have tried correcting them until I am blue in the face, but it makes no difference, partly because my daughter has been known to slip into similar!!!

I have never been able to say my “R’s” but Woy Jenkins couldn’t say his either, and he was a prominent politician in his time. Cannot bring any other famous people to mind, but there are quite a few.

Joolery is one that makes me wince.
Ditto sickth.

Did anyone else see the girl 'witness' in the Panorama prog. the other night (antisemitism in the Labour Party) repeatedly saying 'par'y' when she could evidently pronounce other Ts perfectly? Why??

I do partly blame Ed Miliband and others of his very well educated ilk, who started dropping Ts all over place, presumably to try to sound a bit 'cool', or 'edgy', or whatever else they like to name what my grandmother would have called 'common'!

But it seems almost de rigeur nowadays for so many TV and radio presenters. Heaven forbid that they should come across as remotely posh/elitist/privileged, or whatever they like to call it.

Unfortunate for any cockneys ayy!

What is the correct pronunciation of joolry?

I think that's accent? That's how I have always said the word.

I may have the wrong person - but I'm fairly sure it is Angela Rayner, Shadow Education Secretary, who annoys me with her diction.

I teach year one children in Kent. They get very confused when spelling words beginning with both ‘th’ and ‘f’.

My husband got away with saying f instead of th all his life....when I met him I tried to correct it but he was having none of it. It is bad parenting. I made doubly sure my my two kids pronounced their th, and they still do today. But my daughter doesn’t think it matters and allows my two grandchildren get away with it. Of course my husband is in agreement with her, but I still correct them. My daughter should know better as when her daughter was born she really wanted to call her ,Thea, until I pointed out that to her grandfather that would always come out as Fear. She realised then that pronunciation is important. She tried to get her dad to say Thea in a last ditch attempt... but he couldn’t , or knowing her dad, he wouldn’t. So the lovely name got ditched , in favour of the one she now has, which I dislike intensely...but of course would never say it or show it!

I'm always very particular about 'F' and 'TH', but I have a very Essex accent, (maybe even an Essex voice, if there's such a thing?) which sounds common anyway.

LOL I am saying nothing ;)

I cannot and never have been able to hear or say the difference between f and th, I had speech therapy, but for years and years I had people commenting on it making me feel bad, it has had a detrimental effect on my life, lost confidence, scared to speak in front of people I don't know, reserved about making friends. All this is not because I can't say the 'th' but because of people and their comments and prejudices.

Caro57
"There is so much mis-pronounciation now"

True - and misspelling too!

So, Vivian123, couldn't agree with you more. One of the interviewees on Woman's Hour today started every one of her answers with this word, and I wanted to scream. Can't remember what she was talking about now, either.....

I recall a girl on the radio talking about the group, Pri-ee Lierl Fings ... Pretty Little Things ... you could tell she was working so hard to mispronounce it. She was more than capable of saying 'pretty' and 'little' and 'things' in a different concept.

Although I notice, most of the time, when people commit the 'sins' you have mentioned, it rarely bothers (or even bovvers) me.
How people speak is their own, or their parents, concern. As they say, "What can't be cured must be endured" - or just ignored!

I wish I had your patience, Green Gran. I get in a tizz when I hear an HAITCH instead of an AITCH and it really shouldn't bother me. Why does it bother me? I have no idea. I need to learn to endure or ignore! Wise words.

“Certificate” pronounced as “Sustificate”.
My DM used to say this.

Yes, I agree. Also when they say should of instead of should have. Double negatives too! Don't get me on the English Grammar and spelling soapbox, I will be there all day! When my daughter was at primary school I had to have a word with her teacher, D had written an essay about visiting her GPs in their holiday bungalow. The teacher had crossed off the 'w' of the word bungalow throughout the essay! D went on to excel in English.

Do you think that we are being mischievous (miss-che-vus) or miss-cheev-ee-us? The second is terrible.
In the Santander ad with Ant & Dec, I believe Dec says, 'that's three less coffees', - it should be three fewer coffees, should it not?
Remember 'the plays what I wrote' with Morecombe and Wise? My nephews have always used variations on this theme and I wince inwardly.
Yorkshire tea - where everything's done proper!

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Remember this? (or vis, if you prefer)

Lessismore the clue is in the first 5 letters: jewel

I dislike the double negative as well Shropshirelass my husband uses it all the time, I think its a Norfolk thing. ( ducks behind sofa to avoid missiles from Norfolk )

Thor goodneth thake, Granthnetterth!

What a fuss and so much hatred expressed. Like Classic I had problems with f and th, also pronouncing sh and s as 'th' when I was a child, Unfortunately my full name had 1 Sh 1 th and 3 esses in it - nightmare. It made me a very shy child, who preferred NOT to talk unless necessary. The problem was only resolved when my second teeth came in and I have scarcely stopped talking since.

It is obvious from the comments above that yous (that's You plural) can understand perfectly well what the criticised people are saying, so why all the fuss?

Personally, I love to hear different accents, dialects, etc. and can understand Youff Speak etc. I do find it amusing rather than annoying when cut glass English speaking news readers attempt to pronounce Scottish place names such as Auchtermuchty, Lochwinnoch, Ecclefechan, indeed anything with the 'och' sound therein without benefit of having learned how to make that sound. I am sure there are many examples throughout the UK where, unless you are local, you have no idea as to how to pronounce eg Milngavie, Brechin, Sauchie, Kirkaldy, and names such as Menzies.

Perhaps it is the time and effort that our generation were forced to expend on talking 'properly' that makes people so angry with those who speak in what is considered lazy or slang.