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How To Heal From Estrangement

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nina1959 Sat 01-Apr-17 16:46:10

I thought I'd start this new thread because unfortunately, estrangement is now such a huge part of family life today. I've written articles, I've run groups for bereft parents and I've researched the topic for 5 years.
What I found was that none of us are immune. It can happen to any family and if anyone thought it only happens in families where there has been a history of divorce or abuse, in which case, cutting contact may well be justified, my findings were that estrangement was and is occurring in the most stable nuclear families too.
What's causing it?

There are various reasons but one common thread appears to be that there is usually a third party trying to control the relationship. Money and the unreal expectations on parents today to keep giving were also a common reason.
If you speak to teachers, many will say that today's generation of 30 somethings, had a high level of entitlement along with high level of expectation.
Consequently when reality fails to measure up, they either get very angry or very frustrated and these feelings are often unleashed on the parents with the removal of grandchildren and total cut off.
There are other reasons too but with the exception of a history of abuse, I could find no reason that warranted the total cutting off of a loving parent.
The suffering, pain, loneliness and bereftness inflicted upon these parents has led some of them to be suicidal. I do a voluntary role where I'm in touch with some of them to keep them from harming themselves at times such as Christmas and birthdays.
Read any forum where an AC has posted looking for advice and the popular reply is 'cut them off'! You don't need that c**p in your life'.
How do complete strangers advise another person to end their relationship with their parents?
In this sense, social media is playing it's part in the destruction of family relationships and persecution of the parents.

When we've done all we can to make amends, how do we recover? It's very hard and the challenge is not to become bitter or depressed.
I know these are the main symptoms but it's these we have to overcome.

I believe the parents are mostly not to blame. Estrangement is a current trend born out of a hidden societal sickness today. If we look at the main influences, we can see there's not a lot of caring or giving being shared around. Even the media would rather glorify celebrity lives than post real stories about real and more serious news items.

When I first began researching there was nothing out there online apart from a brick wall of silence and shame. I started my group and a deluge of parents poured out their stories. It grew and kept on growing and now there are many groups and forums all with parents reporting the same issue of being cut off.

With some stories, it was clear that nothing could fix the rift. Begging, pleading, apologising all fell on deaf ears and so parents were enduring years of being snubbed, ignored, left out and treated as though they didn't exist. It was bad enough for two parents but for those parents living on their own, their daily lives were a living nightmare of endless grief.

And so I wrote articles pointing out this evil spreading through our families like a wildfire. Even psychologists now agree there is a problem. This makes a welcome change from blaming the parents. We can't all be that bad that we can all be this wrong. Something else is happening.

And so the main advice was that this trend is going to take a generation to fix, if indeed it can be fixed and that all we can do is to start nurturing and taking care of each other.
And so that's what we did. Myself and others formed a small group and we supported each other through our bleakest of days.
This was the start of picking up the threads of our lives and rebuilding a new start for us.
It was hard at first but with each others support, we all began to move slowly forwards together.
And so I am here to tell you now that there is life after estrangement and that there is light, laughter and grace too.
I'll stop this post here for now because I've got a cup of tea waiting but I hope we can start a thread based on helping each other start moving forwards.

celebgran Wed 24-May-17 11:39:26

Juney u sound a lovely person yes u can relate to u losing trust only natural it will take time just enjoy each day

You are so right most of us genuinely don't know what we did that was so wrong and not being given any chance to mediate with my ed is worst but in words of song we are trying so hard to let it go

Yes it's hard when ignorant people judge us assuming us to be guilty but that's their problem

Rosyglow8 Wed 24-May-17 13:27:48

I feel quite bereft today. Apparently my granddaughter is going to be starting school in September. That's really hit me like a ton of bricks, highlighing how much I have already missed of her little life. The other grandparents are paying for her to attend an exclusive private school, where their language will be the main language, with English being the secondary one. Once again my son is being put in an impossible position. If he objects, the little one could possibly miss out on a great opportunity....and WW3 would re-commence! I can't bear the thought of him going through all that again though. Things have been quieter of late....albeit only because his wife has been getting things her own way. My son travels a lot with his job, so he is able to let that happen when he isn't there. On the other hand, it feels like our family history is being completely airbrushed out, as if none of it happened, and that really upsets both him and me. God knows how this will end. I miss my precious husband's wisdom and strength.

eddiecat78 Wed 24-May-17 15:12:57

Gosh Rosy - that really is a kick in the teeth. It does sound as if they are trying to move her further away from any influence your son has. She must be a bright little girl - one day she will start to question what is going on.
Sorry I can`t think of anything to say that would help

Juney64 Wed 24-May-17 15:55:58

'I miss my precious husband's wisdom and strength.'

That is truly heart breaking. I don't know you but I'm so sorry Rosyglow. Sorry to hear your pain over your GC too. Life can be so cruel.

For what it's worth, I'll be thinking of you for the rest of today.

Yogagirl Thu 25-May-17 08:47:29

Janeworth When I said I had reached the anger stage of this estrangement, I should have said; 'quietly angry' When your heart is broken into a thousand pieces there is no energy left for anything other than quietly sad By the way, what is your story of estrangement? you being a regular poster on the support threads, I don't remember you saying anything about your situation, but maybe way back and I've forgotten.

Rosy that's how I felt when my beloved GD had her first day at school, it broke my heart even more, if that's possible, as it's such a big mile stone, I know she would have been phoning me, as she used to, to tell me all her news. I just see it as all over now, she is 7yrs and GS is 5yrs, those precious years between GM & GC all gone sad they naturally start moving in other circles, i.e more with friends. For you Rosy flowers

My beautiful GD doesn't have any natural family in her life , aside from her heartless mother [my once beloved D] I just worry about her every day, how she is being treated without the family in her life that loved and protected her. If she had a problem she would have come to me.

Rosyglow8 Thu 25-May-17 10:12:34

Thank you eddie, juney and Yogagirl. It's good to have the support of those who are also experiencing this torment. It has always been my firm belief, in all things, that unless we have had the exact same experience, we have no real idea of what another person is feeling. Thus highlighting the difference between sympathy and empathy. I thought, by stepping right back from this awful situation, and making no demands, that I was protecting myself and my son and granddaughter in some small way, from the pain and hurt. Well that was wishful thinking. Simply hearing about the little one starting school has opened up a whole host of "how will I feel when this happens". Add that to the constant worry about how my son is being treated, and I'm feeling very overwhelmed at the moment.

janeainsworth Thu 25-May-17 10:16:28

yogagirl I'm not estranged from anyone and I post only occasionally on the 'estrangement' threads, in the same way that I post only occasionally on the politics threads.
juney's post touched me and I responded to it. That's all.
It was nothing to do with you, and I've no idea why you think it was.

Rosyglow8 Thu 25-May-17 10:53:47

Nina doesn't appear to have been on her thread for some time. I hope she's well, and just very busy...as usual.

Fairydoll2030 Thu 25-May-17 12:52:12

You can have a very heated debate on a political forum without feelings getting hurt. It's not possible to do the same on an estrangement thread - for obvious reasons.

Rosyglow is spot on with her comments re sympathy and empathy.

janeainsworth Thu 25-May-17 14:26:41

Has anyone made any heated remarks on this thread fairydoll?
I'm not sure what your point is. confused

Fairydoll2030 Thu 25-May-17 15:26:27

My point is .....on a political thread you can make points that are diametrically opposed to others' views without causing distress but here, on an estrangement thread, one has to tread cautiously, for obvious reasons.

Anyone visiting this thread from time to time cannot failed to have noticed there can be some very critical posts from non estranged GP's,

The regular posters on here find it cathartic to share their thoughts with others in a similar position. It helps them cope with their pain.

Fairydoll2030 Thu 25-May-17 15:29:25

To clarify. I am not referring to this particular thread,but ANY Estrangement thread.

Juney64 Thu 25-May-17 17:46:59

Yogagirl - thanks... you do too <smile>. Yes, 9 years was a long time. I've read carefully about your situation and can see that you feel you have no hope. Who knows, maybe one day your DD will leave this man and will return to you. I truly hope so.

Thanks Starlady. Your so right - it was issues on my son's part. Sadly, that didn't stop all the self doubt and self examination during the nc though. These are the things which kept me awake at night. I'm glad those days are over.

Jane I have to agree about anger. It can be very destructive in relationships and can lead to lots of moments of regret. My GP's went through a nasty divorce when I was in my teens. My GM was angry for years. I remember promising myself that whatever happened to me in life that I would never allow myself to go through the agony of bitterness that I saw on my GM's face. I've done my best to adhere to that promise (not always successfully). These endeavours helped somewhat during what we call 'the dark years'.

celebgran no there was no nastiness from him. The pain of the nc was nevertheless unbearable at times. I can relate to your situation however, I didn't have to go through the pain of my son actually saying nasty things. That must hurt to the core.

Fairydoll - the critical posts on here was what prompted me to write about my experience. My hope was to give EGPs a reference point or even comfort to have someone give a hard and fast example of 'no blame'. It saddens me greatly when I see blameless EGPs having to
'fight their corner' - as if the pain of the experience isn't enough to cope with.

Rosyglow - hope you're having a better day today than yesterday. My heart so went out to you.

May I say that I read Jane's message about anger as being pleased for me that I didn't have the 'hell' of anger to deal with rather than a slight on anyone else. Anger at some level is only natural in this situation, especially when you know in your heart that you've done nothing. Thanks (I think?) to watching my own GM, I was spared a large degree of that.

Kindest heartfelt wishes to all EGP - whatever the reason. ?

celebgran Thu 25-May-17 18:54:30

Juney it's wonderful for u and thanks so much for Shari g such positive end to.heartache

8 years for me and despite all.pain I would give world to hug my daughter again

One day who knows

I an very scared over pending operation in case goes wrong guess making me more emotional.

Thank god I have my son and dear husband and v good friends

Juney64 Thu 25-May-17 19:14:55

celebgran - I do so hope that you are able to hug your daughter again one day. I had given up. Life throws up these strange twists - very hurtful.

Sorry that you're facing an operation. Is it of an unusual nature causing you to worry that it may go wrong? Is it perhaps the aneasthetic which concerns you? Pardon me if I'm intruding.

celebgran Thu 25-May-17 19:24:40

Oh bless u Juney not intruding at all i have back problems and my vertebrae dislodged disc so nerve protruding was hoping have injection s but surgeon said they won't last so he will
Operate end July thing can go wrong ie paralysis or incontinenceshockbut I.am.in so much pain and surgeon seems confident.

Its kind of you to.ask.

I saw young slim girl.on flight over and reminded me of my daughter thanks Juney for your lovely post x

Yogagirl Fri 26-May-17 07:33:10

Janesworth Owing to there being several threads on the same subject, I've possible mixed them up. I did say on one that with this estrangement hell you go through stages of first disbelieve, then sorrow, then grieving, then anger, not necessarily in that exact order. But I wrote I had, after 4.5yrs reached the anger stage, so when you mentioned anger I thought you were referring to me.

Thanks Juney

Juney64 Fri 26-May-17 10:52:26

celebgran - how awful to have to cope with this level of pain on top of the nc. That is a lot for anyone to handle. I hope that you're able to take some comfort from your doctor's confidence and strength from the support from your husband and son.

Goodness - when you said you saw someone who reminded you of your daughter it took me back to the number of times I thought I'd seen my son. That, plus reminders of our DC are everywhere. This is the agony and contributes to what makes it so difficult to move on.

Yogagirl - I think I read the thread you're referring to. If my memory serves me correctly, I think you mentioned the various stages you've gone through and anger is a known 'stage' during that process for many people. Hopefully that too will pass in time.

I'm going to step away from this thread now. When I posted it was with a degree of trepidation. I'm aware how sensitive this subject is and, since I'm no longer in this situation, I worry that I may say the wrong thing.

It's heart warming to see the support GP's going through NC are giving to each other. I wish I'd had that privilege during my time.

Kindest wishes to all and I hope that one day you'll be able to post with good news. ?

Yogagirl Sat 27-May-17 08:38:36

Hi Juney It was good to hear your story and how it ended with a reunion, pop back from time to time and let us know how you are getting on flowers

linz17 Thu 31-Aug-17 16:41:15

I am a newbie so forgive me if I get this post wrong!
My H & I are in the same situation as many, our D has cut herself off from us entirely. We looked after our GC daily for three years,(pre school) then that was it! We were 'ghosted' by her & her H. Our GC used to love to come to our home, perhaps jealousy? who knows, but now 3 years along and as Smileless2012 has written so well, we are now well on the road to recovery.
We have also collected a 'memory book' and all the photo's of us & GC have been lodged with the solicitor, when the time comes our GC will know how much we loved & felt. So even if GC cannot remember us the photo's & love are there to remind.
So, live your life and heal, it is the only way forward.

Nan56 Thu 31-Aug-17 19:07:16

Linz17. Just read your post. I'm new too. This is such a good idea. I will start a memory book for my Granddaughters. My son has cut me off now,he is so under the control of his wife. The estrangement is farly new so I'm still suffering, but I am a strong girl so I know the pain will get easier in time. So glad you are getting on with your life. Best wishes.

Smileless2012 Thu 31-Aug-17 19:36:41

You're right linz and for me, moving forward and living my life was when the healing really began. I'm doing a memory box for our GC. Sadly there'll be very few photo's of us with the eldest and none at all of the youngestsad.

It takes time to realise that you can have a life without them. Not the one you envisaged it's true but there are still happy times to be had.

Nanflowersyour son sounds like ours. It's hard to believe that someone can have such an influence over them isn't it.

The pain does get easier in time, it's always there I think, lurking just below the surface and rears its ugly head from time to time but at least it's not every minute of every day like it used to be.

Nan56 Thu 31-Aug-17 20:20:12

Thanks Smileless2012. It's good to know I'm not alone but very sad to read about all the good mums and dads that have be so hurt by their children's estrangement. I can't believe any of us deserve that treatment. I thought my only child my son was a strong independant young man, but he has changed so much over the past years, under his partner's control. I also feel very sorry for her mum and dad who haven't even seen our shared granddaughters because she cut them of some years ago. Such evil is at work in our lives. Best wishes.

Yogagirl Sat 09-Sept-17 08:18:27

Liz & Nan flowers Just seen your posts, so sorry!

5years for me and I have only just been able to get my mind into a better place, with the help from my nice daughter and baby granddaughter. My ND is hurting too, as she was close to her sister, we were all very close, that's why nasty s.i.l 'cut us out' because he was eaten up with jealousy, his mum too! They are not even related to my precious GD, just stepfamily shock

I watched that 'Gypsy Kids' last night and the closeness of the Grandmother and her Granddaughter was so touching, just as I would have been with mine sad

Starlady Sun 10-Sept-17 00:48:26

Just saw your posts, linz and Nan! So deeply sorry about your estrangements. xx

Linz so glad you and dh are healing. I know things may never be exactly as you want, obviously, but I hope they get even easier as time goes on.

Nan, I get that you're "suffering" - I would be, too. Are you sure yours is a "permanent" estrangement though? Could it be ds and dil are just taking a time off from their relationship with you? Maybe they just need some "space" to calm down over whatever is bothering them?

No natter, it's very early days for you. I know it's a bad sign that dil already co her own mum and dad, but please don't give up hope. Things could still turn around for you. If not, I hope your pain eases in time, also, as you expect.