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same sex marriage-in church

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paddyann Mon 21-May-18 22:07:28

The Church f Scotland general Assembly voted today t allow same sex marriages in church .Is this "moving with the times" a way to increase attendances and membership of the church? Or a step to far .In my circle of friends are several gay couples who work in the church and for the church ,most have married but by regitrars and I knw they will be delighted that the church will at last bless their union.

Madgran77 Tue 22-May-18 13:32:38

The Catholic Church does not support gay marriage and some priests strongly advocate not attending a gay wedding ceremony as marriage is seen as a sacrament and not possible between two people of the same sex. This has caused untold damage where one member is a Catholic and others are not ...

pollyperkins Tue 22-May-18 13:34:54

Yes jusnoneed I assumed that was more or less what a civil . partnership was but may well be wrong!

lollee Tue 22-May-18 13:36:30

Justnoneed, I hear you and agree to certain extent. However, to ensure legality and the avoidance of sham marriages, forced marriages, misrepresentation and so forth there are preliminaries required by law. Initial visit to registrar is usually to prove identity and pay deposit etc. Once the formalities are dealt with the ceremony can be as short as you like, one part of it consisting of you merely answering 'I do' to the registrar but being legally obliged to quote an oath starting with 'I do solemnly declare blah blah blah'. You would be surprised how important it is that everything be done legally or not worth the paper you sign on. Actually the marriage ceremony in its shortest version is much quicker than registering a birth or death! It is the photos and chat that bulk it out and longer ceremony words if you choose them.

codfather Tue 22-May-18 13:47:16

Not a very religious person but very much a traditionalist, I think the Pope had it right in recent comments when speaking to a Gay Priest. LGBT is not a lifestyle I choose to follow but not something I will impose on others. We can't all think the same. After all, I like Marmite! wink

henbane Tue 22-May-18 14:00:05

I'm with Maryeliza on this one. If marriage & civil partnership are really the same, why did many same sex couples choose to convert their partnerships to marriage?

I don't want another marriage; I don't want to change my name; I do want a partnership to give financial protection when one of us dies.

lollee Tue 22-May-18 14:03:19

You can do that with a will, probably cheaper too.

Lioness68 Tue 22-May-18 14:22:12

I am totally opposed to same sex couples in any way, shape or form. I am an atheist not a religious person. It is disgusting and perverted.

As for them having children - it takes a man and a woman to produce a child.

Bridgeit Tue 22-May-18 14:25:09

Is it the love or the sex that disgusts you Lioness?

henetha Tue 22-May-18 14:30:03

Love is not disgusting or perverted, no matter what form it takes. Gay people should have absolutely the same rights as others. Gay couples have the same chance of raising children successfully, or unsuccessfully, as heterosexual couples.

maryeliza54 Tue 22-May-18 14:33:05

As long as the act of sex is genuinely consensual and private, why should it matter who does what to whom?

Theoddbird Tue 22-May-18 14:35:59

I think it is wonderful

maryeliza54 Tue 22-May-18 14:36:58

There are marriages in which rape and domestic violence take place regularly and there are gay relationships which are loving and caring with each putting the other first - I know which type is disgusting and perverted

minxie Tue 22-May-18 14:48:10

Nothing wrong with loving someone And wanting to marry, but how for the life of me I can’t imagine why a gay couple would want to marry in church when they are so inherently homophobic. I speak as a mother of a gay son

jusnoneed Tue 22-May-18 14:53:43

It would probably be the proof of identity that would be the hardest thing these days lollee! After all anyone can get hold of a birth certificate. What do they accept now?
I just don't see the need for the swearing oath bit, that proves nothing. Fill in the forms, put up the banns if needs be, sign the book, cough up the money and get out of there would be my ideal wedding lol.

muffinthemoo Tue 22-May-18 14:55:24

maryeliza, thank you.

maryeliza54 Tue 22-May-18 15:01:01

Not slll churches are homophobic - some welcome gay priests and perform gay marriages - and then there’s our wonderful CofE

Coconut Tue 22-May-18 15:16:21

I am an Atheist, and I believe that love is love, whoever it is between. People should be free to marry whoever they wish and as others have said, there is not enough love in this world, that’s for sure ....

Anniebach Tue 22-May-18 15:31:29

Untill last November our Anglican Church had a gay priest , he was here for quite a few years

maryeliza54 Tue 22-May-18 15:33:07

But they have to be celibate if gay ( or say the are)

GrauntyHelen Tue 22-May-18 15:35:06

Oh I'd not heard but delighted with that news LOVE is LOVE and as I heard a church member who is Lesbiaan say recently why should she be refused a church wedding when she is the church when anyone who is straight can come in off the parish streets and be married !

varian Tue 22-May-18 15:47:52

It has always seemed to me that religions (almost all religions) appear to have an unhealthy obsession with sex. Some religions insist on celibacy not just for priests, monks, nuns but for ordinary unmarried folk. Why?

hicaz46 Tue 22-May-18 15:53:02

Oh dear Lioness how sad are you? I have been in a same sex relationship for the last 25 years and my relationship is neither disgusting or perverted. I have been married and have 2 children an 5 grandchildren. I am now in a civil partnership, but have no desire myself to be married again.

Bridgeit Tue 22-May-18 15:58:56

Yes Varian , I agree, I suppose it all goes back to the Garden of Eden, Poor Old Eve she was to take the blame, nothing much has changed!

Madgran77 Tue 22-May-18 16:11:03

In my post re Catholic Church I meant one member of a family is a Catholic and others are not!

GabriellaG Tue 22-May-18 16:12:16

I'm not an advocate of same sex marriage, indeed, I think the whole scene is against nature.