American Evangelical Christians

PECS

Their not there...

Those evangelicals who are premillenialists, that is, they believe in the Rapture, are very keen on Israel, not because they care about Jewish people all that much (most of the American ones vote Democrat), but because all the Jewish people have to return to the biblical Israel so that they can all be converted to Christianity before the Rapture. Because that's what the scriptures say.

The church I used to go to were independent Baptist with a lot of influence from the Deep South Americans. In the end I couldn’t cope with it anymore so I left but I spent about 10 years there. Most of them were very sincere bible believing Christians who followed the KJV but only the KJV. It was a warm and friendly place and they helped a lot of people in the community in charitable ways. BUT they liked Trump because they thought he had been saved and they kind of overlooked his nasty pettiness and vulgarity. It is a very different mindset, nothing like most of us with a British or European background. I think we should be careful not to judge all of them by the actions of a few nut jobs because my experience is that 99% are good and well meaning. We used to get many preachers and pastors out from the US speaking to the congregation. I couldn’t stand them, too loud and just ghastly but that is my prejudice and I am not proud of it. We like what we know. Now I belong to a lovely Presbyterian church and feel ‘at home’ at last. Sorry for the long rant but I don’t like people attacking them willynilly.

The article certainly gave me a new insight that I hadn’t realised along with a lot of present day residents of Wilmington from whom the truth had been hidden.

To go back to the main question - maybe it's not so much pro-Trump, as anti the democrats.
The impression I get from reading some american magazines etc is that for extreme religious groups the democrats are seen as advocates of sexual liberalism. And other types of moral laxity.

Not heated at all. Just wish for more open mindness. Too much polarisation.

25Avalon

Well MaisieD it should do. It shows how the rights of black people have constantly been undermined in the USA and how appallingly they have been treated. It was the democrat Lyndon B Johnson who contemptuously referred to them as n*****s that he would get on board to vote Democrat for the next 200 years.

What 'should do', Avalon.

I'm really not sure what you're getting heated about...

Not that much for black people in the US. Still 150 years to go!

That must have been more than 50 years ago 25Avalon. Times have changed.

Well MaisieD it should do. It shows how the rights of black people have constantly been undermined in the USA and how appallingly they have been treated. It was the democrat Lyndon B Johnson who contemptuously referred to them as n*****s that he would get on board to vote Democrat for the next 200 years.

I think that American politics has changed and evolved over the last 120 years and the Democratic Party is no longer the choice of white supremicists. .

But you are saying if you vote one way then you are all "This, that or the other"

That's not what she said at all

But you are saying if you vote one way then you are all "This, that or the other"

No she isn't., CraftyGranny, try reading it again...

Thanks CraftyGranny. Maybe MaisieD would like to read how the Democrats in 1898 (35years after the Civil War) were the White Supremacy party. As I said it’s interesting or at least I found it so.

No thank you Avalon, I was already aware.

I'm sure you're very excited by your discovery of some of the USA's history, but it really isn't 'hidden'. It just doesn't normally interest people.

By the way Varian did you read the article?

varian

Obviously not all Republicans are white supremicists, but all. or nearly all of the white supremicists who voted would have voted Republican.

I don't believe that any, let alone all Democrats think that all Republicans are like the vile racists who also support the Republican party.

How would you know that Varian, Do you have access to the way anyone voted?

I have good friends that vote the opposite to me, I don't think any less of them. To each their own. But you are saying if you vote one way then you are all "This, that or the other"

How boring the world would be if we all thought the same, looked the same etc

Obviously not all Republicans are white supremicists, but all. or nearly all of the white supremicists who voted would have voted Republican.

I don't believe that any, let alone all Democrats think that all Republicans are like the vile racists who also support the Republican party.

25Avalon I agree, very interesting. It's amazing how the Dems refer to Reps as White Supremecists. Talk about kettle and pot. I was absolutely appauled by the article.

NannyC2

We shall see........

we have seen, and the evidence is clear.

As for the future, as Elegran says- it is worrying that some people are predicting real trouble in the name of Trump. I truly feel it has no place on GN and should be deleted.

The core sentence in the article Varian posted a link to, and which narrowly answers the question in the OP is the following:

Many evangelicals have followed Trump: because he has implemented pro-life policies during his presidency. He also endorsed support for Israel, religious liberty and conservative judges.

The USA, from the start was a place of refuge for those whose religious beliefs were unacceptable in their home societies, whether you were a protestant radical or had an entirely new religion of their own devising (Christian Scientist, Church of the latterday Saints and some of the larger groups. Many cults that followed. Religon is part of the foundation of the country.

The USA is a large country with wildernesses and backwoods we cannot even imagine, so if people do not like what you believe or teach, there is also somewhere else to go. The less these conservative groups have to live close to non-members, societies, the more set in their ways they become.

Why do God and Guns go together because many of these groups live in these far west wildernesses and vast empty spaces, where, in the past guns were essential to eat and to stay alive when bad men arive, there are no police or the nearest policeman is 100 miles away.

Donald Trump is not immoral, he is amoral . He wouldn't recognise a moral if it picked up a stick and poked him in the eye.

CraftyGranny

25Avalon here is the link you referred to

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55648011

Thanks CraftyGranny. Maybe MaisieD would like to read how the Democrats in 1898 (35years after the Civil War) were the White Supremacy party. As I said it’s interesting or at least I found it so.

We don’t have an equivalent of their Bible Belt - where a lot of people are descended from pioneers who had to start from scratch on virgin land, and so had to be very hardworking and self reliant or they wouldn’t survive.

I’m sure it must have something to do with that history, not to mention that a lot of those pioneers were probably very religious anyway. And maybe from sects that had suffered persecution or at least discrimination in their homelands.

So they see self-reliance almost as an eleventh commandment - Thou shalt labour to look after thyself and thy family and those who cannot or will not, shall be cast out and perish.’
(Or something like that.).

Elegran

What many QAnon followers have realised, and is dawning on more of them daily, is that Trump is not interested in saving America from Muslims or paedophilia or draining any swamps. His aim is to show his late daddy that he is a big success, by making as much money as his father did, without being too finicky about the methods, and by having people acclaim him as the greatest. He is like those small children whose ambition is "to be famous" but have no idea at all of what they will have to actually learn, know, plan and do to be great - or the difference between fame and infamy.

Yes, I read that too. It seems that history may be repeating itself as his two sons look as if they are competing for favoured son status. Both of them, like Trump himself, work for the family business as they are presumably unemployable. I rarely wish people ill, but I wish this ghastly venal pack all the misfortune they deserve. I look forward to reading about all the law suits brought by the 'little people' that the Trump family despise and disregard.

25Avalon here is the link you referred to

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55648011

Elegran

What many QAnon followers have realised, and is dawning on more of them daily, is that Trump is not interested in saving America from Muslims or paedophilia or draining any swamps. His aim is to show his late daddy that he is a big success, by making as much money as his father did, without being too finicky about the methods, and by having people acclaim him as the greatest. He is like those small children whose ambition is "to be famous" but have no idea at all of what they will have to actually learn, know, plan and do to be great - or the difference between fame and infamy.

Spot on Elgran.

I didn't know that.

I disagree about Christian literature being put into the shoe boxes, trying to brainwash young children by associating a gift from children in the UK with Evangelical Christianity.

The concept is good as it encourages children here to think of others and those in receipt of a box must be happy.
I'm sure many thought that the boxes are a gift sent with kindness and without ulterior motives. Many of the children filling and sending the boxes will be of different religions or none at all.