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Who is Netanyahu's God?

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Caleo Sun 29-Oct-23 12:32:49

Netanyahu is a religious conservative (BBC). He is also an Israeli nationalist who has made Israel an Apartheid nation.

Judaism varies among religious Jews. As does Islam and Christianity.

M0nica Sun 29-Oct-23 12:39:59

What about the Hamas commanders who made rape, murdering and dismembering babies and killing old people formal weapons of war.

I know such atrocities happen in most conflicts , but in modern war fair who else has made them weapons of war and instructed their troops to commit these crimes.

My sympathies were all with the Palestinians until the start of the Hamas campaign.

growstuff Sun 29-Oct-23 12:50:47

I'm not sure that Netanyahu is a believer in any God.

MayBee70 Sun 29-Oct-23 12:56:07

Netanyahu’s God is Netanyahu. The ultimate political survivor.

Grany Sun 29-Oct-23 13:00:27

Netanyahu is a disgrace to humanity, a racist war criminal, corrupt both morally and materially, mendacious, without a shred of humanity.

#NotInMyName
#BDSNow
#NethanyahuToTheHague

@muhammadshehad2

🚨Netanyahu is now going fully genocidal; calling Palestinians "Amalek" & citing the bible to justify their destruction!

The bible called to "utterly destroy all that Amalek have, & spare them not; but slay both man & WOMAN, INFANT & suckling, ox & sheep, camel & donkey"!

Caleo Sun 29-Oct-23 13:04:47

Growstuff, in the broad sense, I guess everyone has a god of some description. In many cases the individual's god is not a Person but a set of ideas and allegiances.

I have just read the BBC article because I have been Googling to try to discover the nature of Judaism ,that Judaism the religion would permit Zionist nationalism .

Germanshepherdsmum Sun 29-Oct-23 13:06:27

You could say the same of Putin, who is a member of the Russian Orthodox Church.

Caleo Sun 29-Oct-23 13:09:05

MOnica, thanks for your reply. You wrote: "My sympathies were all with the Palestinians until the start of the Hamas campaign."

Hamas is not the Palestinian people. Hamas is like the Mafia, existing for its own ends.

Caleo Sun 29-Oct-23 13:12:14

Indeed, GSM, and I do. The god of some individuals is strictly themself.

Galaxy Sun 29-Oct-23 13:13:49

A set of allegiances is not a God. There could be some debate that as religion wanes people search for other meaning or belonging, but I am not sure that is the same as a God.

growstuff Sun 29-Oct-23 13:14:40

Caleo

Growstuff, in the broad sense, I guess everyone has a god of some description. In many cases the individual's god is not a Person but a set of ideas and allegiances.

I have just read the BBC article because I have been Googling to try to discover the nature of Judaism ,that Judaism the religion would permit Zionist nationalism .

I don't have a god.

Netanyahu was the first Israeli PM to be born in Israel. His parents were secular and he spent quite a lot of time in America.

I don't have access to the inside of his head, but I see a career politician rather than somebody with any religious conviction, unless it suits his political endgame.

Oreo Sun 29-Oct-23 13:52:04

Grany
If you quote from someone called muhammedshehad2 then it’s bound to be full of hate towards Israel, Jews, and any Israeli political leader.
Caleo why wonder about his God? He may not believe in a God, or he may, but who is the God of hamas terrorists?
They may shout Allah Akbar before they cut off a child’s head but if they truly believe their God would be pleased then what kind of a religion is that?

JaneJudge Sun 29-Oct-23 14:00:10

Unfortunately I think a lot of these power men are psychopaths and follow no set religion, it is just used as an excuse

M0nica Sun 29-Oct-23 14:41:14

When a terrorist organisation has infiltrated a society, and commits the crimes Hamas did, how do you carefully filter out the baddies from the goodies?

I am no apologist for Israel, in fact my reaction to the whole business is that of Mercutio in Romeo and Juliet - 'a plague on both your houses'

But only Hamas has made rape, and the murder and dismemberment of babies and children, an official tactic of war and sent out ist forces with explicit instructions to commit these crimes and this in my mind places them so far beyond the pale that anyone who does not turn from those specific who gave those orders and those who commited them is complicit in their crimes.

Oreo Sun 29-Oct-23 14:48:06

Monica that’s what I think too.
It’s set the Palestinian cause back decades if not forever!

Callistemon21 Sun 29-Oct-23 15:09:26

M0nica

When a terrorist organisation has infiltrated a society, and commits the crimes Hamas did, how do you carefully filter out the baddies from the goodies?

I am no apologist for Israel, in fact my reaction to the whole business is that of Mercutio in Romeo and Juliet - 'a plague on both your houses'

But only Hamas has made rape, and the murder and dismemberment of babies and children, an official tactic of war and sent out ist forces with explicit instructions to commit these crimes and this in my mind places them so far beyond the pale that anyone who does not turn from those specific who gave those orders and those who commited them is complicit in their crimes.

Unfortunately there are many, and some on here too, who believe that those atrocities were justified and that anyone who might think they are wrong are right wing warmongerers.

Netanyahu is out for revenge on Hamas but, as always, it is the innocents caught in the middle of it who suffer.

None of this has anything to do with any true God.
It is men's perversion of religions which is the cause of so much evil in the world.

M0nica Sun 29-Oct-23 15:40:17

Rape and the murder and the dismemberment of children and babies and deliberate murder of civilians are crimes that are NEVER EVER JUSTIFIABLE as weapons of war.

When this behaviour is adopted as OFFICIAL weapons of war by an army or organisation it is even more heinous and totally unjustifiaable in any circumstance whatsoever.

How any decent person can ever consider a circumstance where, presumably they could consider accepting these weapons as justifiable is completely beyond me.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 29-Oct-23 15:46:28

Totally agree with every single word M0nica

Joseann Sun 29-Oct-23 16:06:09

I think it was Oliver Cromwell who said, that every man who wages war believes God is on his side, but that God should often wonder who is on his.

Joseann Sun 29-Oct-23 16:06:59

*His with a capital H

paddyann54 Sun 29-Oct-23 16:27:23

I think you'll find the IDF commit and have committed these same crimes over the years ,They are not saints or even avenging angels ,they are every bit as vile as Hamas ,Gaza and the thousands who have been murdered not just in this recent conflict but for DECADES ,,,,are not HAMAS

Callistemon21 Sun 29-Oct-23 16:30:23

🤔 Well, I think we all keep saying that paddyann

It is always the innocents who suffer. On all sides, in any wars or conflicts.

Can't say it any plainer than that.

M0nica Sun 29-Oct-23 19:47:54

The israeli's have never given their soldiers written commands to rape women and defile their dead bodies, dismemebering murdered children and babies, and they have never been accused of doing this as part of an unwritten policy. These things do happen but rarely.

I am no apologist for Israel. I would lock both sides up in a room with now windows and not let them out until they have produced an agreement and if they were there years so bi it.

But I have never been one to believe in 'my party/reliogion/country etc right or wrong.' nor am I prepared to be an apologist for a side I had felt had a marginal balance of right when they do officially license the behaviour Hamas has licensed.

There are people on GN that I will never again be able to believe when they start fulminating against wrongs done to women and children when they have been so willing to be apologists for the actions of Hamas at the start of this conflict.

Galaxy Sun 29-Oct-23 19:55:34

Yes I agree completely I will just look on agog when those people lecture on racism, or the harm that words can do, it's been an education to say the least.

Caleo Mon 30-Oct-23 16:34:52

Growstuff ,in answer to your last, what I mean by "a god" , please note small 'c,' is a set of beliefs and allegiances. I do not believe in any supernatural form of existence. I am sure Netanyahu hold a set of beliefs and allegiances whatever they may be. I doubt if Netanyahu's set of beliefs and allegiances amount to Allah.

Although I addressed this to Growstuff everyone is welcome to read and respond.