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trisher Sat 16-May-15 10:25:17

I recently had a post deleted because it contravened the guidelines, it wasn't obscene, racist or a personal attack. It was a very bad taste joke the subject of which doesn't really matter. There is in British politics a long history of using satire and bad taste to highlight problems and I wonder why Gransnet feel this is unsuitable for the forums? I certainly would make the joke I made on here to my friends. It was posted on a thread with a warning about bad language so not for the fainthearted. Presumably Jonthan Swift's "A Modest Proposal" where he proposes that the Irish should eat their children as a solution to famine would be regarded as unacceptable and deleted. Come on Gransnet, either set up a warning system and make some posts more appropriate to thinking adults, or just accept the satire part of political debate, but please stop acting like Nanny, we are grown ups!

thatbags Sun 17-May-15 07:52:56

There's a quote somewhere about skidding through life and thinking oh what a wonderful ride at the end, rather than plodding sedately and virtuously. A site that doesn't allow bad taste, bad jokes, bad language is a plodder. Gransnet guidelines include the allowance of bad jokes, bad language and bad taste, so what was deleted probably worried HQ's sensibilities about libel or some other legal wotsit.

I think sharp retorts and sarcasm are allowed too so long as they are sharp and sarcastic about posts or subjects of posts rather than about posters. subtle but important difference.

jinglbellsfrocks Sun 17-May-15 08:33:13

this is the thread in question If anyone is interested.

I am at last starting to realise that the thing is with Gransnet, as I suppose it must be with any online forum, that you are speaking to a wide range of people and you are bound to come across, amongst the many that you are in tune with, and even feel affection for, some who, in real life you simply would not want to know or to have anything to do with. It illustrates the silliness of being here. That's what I feel at the moment.

My grandchildren are coming today. I might place my mini I-pad in the pond, whilst thanking the Lord for the blocker on my PC.

soontobe Sun 17-May-15 08:49:39

I think sharp retorts and sarcasm are allowed too so long as they are sharp and sarcastic about posts or subjects of posts rather than about posters. subtle but important difference.

That is what I realised a number of days ago.
I cant see the difference myself, so no longer report posts. To me, they all look the same.
Perhaps I should try a few reports again, and see.

I am at last starting to realise that the thing is with Gransnet, as I suppose it must be with any online forum, that you are speaking to a wide range of people and you are bound to come across, amongst the many that you are in tune with, and even feel affection for, some who, in real life you simply would not want to know or to have anything to do with. It illustrates the silliness of being here. That's what I feel at the moment

Gosh yes. If you were in a room situation, you may wish to speak to 6 or 2 about something, but on a forum you are forced to speak to absolutely everyone.

kittylester Sun 17-May-15 09:17:07

How many posts have you reported soon?. Apart from spam, which I love reporting, I can't remember reporting any post in the 4 (?) years I've have been here! Am I odd? Do people often report?

soontobe Sun 17-May-15 09:46:17

When I first joined last November, I probably reported about 10 over a period of a couple of months.
A few got deleted, a few didnt. That is it I think.

soontobe Sun 17-May-15 09:48:09

Most of them not to me or about me, I should add.

Lilygran Sun 17-May-15 09:57:54

I had a thread I'd started deleted. The OP was absolutely harmless (no bad language, not about religion, not about politics) but an individual thought it was somehow a personal comment aimed at them. Weird or what?

thatbags Sun 17-May-15 10:05:54

I think that is often the problem, lily – someone thinking a remark is 'aimed' at them when it isn't. Not much one can do except shrug, I suppose.

Nelliemoser Sun 17-May-15 10:07:52

I did not see it but by Trishers suggestion above that it was about two celebrities one now"incarcerated" I would hazard a guess that it was very innapropriate with regard to the subject matter.

It was as unacceptable as were the remarks on another thread about "Grannies smelling of wee." which most posters condemned.

soontobe Sun 17-May-15 10:09:02

The two posts I had deleted, were because I repeated something a poster had already said about themselves. I was flabbergasted.

soontobe Sun 17-May-15 10:10:54

Wrong thread. I meant to post that on the reporting thread. Off I go.

thatbags Sun 17-May-15 10:11:07

BTW, since I'm on a clarity binge, one is not forced to do anything on Gransnet or any other forum. They are voluntary and what one says on them is a completely free choice for each person.

trisher Sun 17-May-15 10:30:27

Nelliemoser there is the question of who decides what is inappropriate or unacceptable. I understand that some people have different perspectives on things and I really have no wish to upset them or force them to read things they find distasteful. On the other hand there will be people who don't mind such things, who realise the value of saying the unthinkable to draw attention to something or make a point. If Gransnet is going to remain a valuable forum it needs to address this not just delete something without a valid reason.

thatbags Sun 17-May-15 10:48:49

I agree, trisher. I can only suppose that HQ worried about some legal aspect of what you posted. I hadn't read it. Either that or whoever was on duty that day was someone with not much experience and wanted to play safe. I think the whole episode warrants The Order of the Shrug medal.

Eloethan Sun 17-May-15 12:59:03

I thought the post made some good points: (there was a warning about the explicit language used and DC was referred to in less than complimentary terms)

A Pro Capital Punishment MP for justice minister.

An anti gay marriage advocate for equalities minister.

In light of this it was suggested that Bin Laden might have been just the man for heading up the MoD!

Surely none of those statements are libellous and it can only be the choice language which caused the deletion?

Ana Sun 17-May-15 13:27:39

The entire thread wasn't deleted, Eloethan, only one post!

janeainsworth Sun 17-May-15 13:28:16

The OP on that thread hasn't been deleted, eloethan, only trisher's joke, about which, as I didn't see it, I can't comment.

janeainsworth Sun 17-May-15 13:28:49

X posts Ana

pompa Sun 17-May-15 13:55:05

Jings gave a clear warning about the swearing, so if you are against that, don't read it.

I don't like swearing, especially in a thread that had previously been pleasant. The warning is perfect, at home if a TV show contains certain things, extreme violence, mistreatment of women, unnecessary swearing, I change channel. Simples.

I didn't like the content of the post, but that was a personal opinion, and after reading the first post, I read no further. Whether the content was within forum rules, only GN can decide.

Whomever hosts a forum, set the rules and when contributes join knowing those conditions and should accept those rules. By all means ask for changes, but in this case it is GN that decide the format of the forum.

FarNorth Sun 17-May-15 16:48:14

But it would have been a good idea for GNHQ to notify trisher of what guidelines s/he was thought to have contravened.

pompa Sun 17-May-15 17:56:46

I had already said that earlier
" I would hope that GN gave a full explanation to the poster why their post was deleted, otherwise how do they know here GN set those boundaries."

Ana Sun 17-May-15 18:04:44

pompa, I had thought that was GNHQ's usual practice, but it seems that trisher did not receive any explanation.

LucyGransnet (GNHQ) Mon 18-May-15 13:27:51

Hello! Indeed our standard practice is to notify a poster if (and as soon as) a post of theirs is deleted. Unfortunately, as trisher mentioned, somehow that didn't happen on this occasion and has resulted in confusion as to why the post was deleted.

So sorry about that trisher - you should now have received an email from us to clarify.

On another note - please keep in mind that we rely on reports in order to moderate the site and are grateful when members flag things they think we ought to see. Please don't accuse other members of being the ones to report something - aside from the high possibility that that guess will be wrong, reporting a post should be confidential and is essential to the running of the site. Thanks all!

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 18-May-15 13:59:03

Would be quite nice if we could all know why it was deleted.

pompa Mon 18-May-15 16:42:29

I can understand that any correspondence between a GNer and GNHQ would be confidential.