Rules - Mumsnet & Gransnet discrepancies

Sorry - I've got brain fog today and it's having a hell of an effect on my syntax!

None of us have a right not to be offended. I rarely report things but I do report racism, sexism and downright inappropriate posts. Not because I'm offended, but because nobody should be using a public forum to spread these kinds of things, even if they don't feel they are in the wrong.

If I do report I usually tell people I'm doing it - I did on Sunday, I think, about a vaccine thread which was misleading.

Reverting to the "can't say anything without some snowflake being offended" idea just indicates how much people are out of touch with how to behave, IMO. For instance, thinking that someone would have to have a fondness for the Queen before they can see that publishing rumours about her husband's affairs might be inappropriate, for instance....

Posts are not removed simply because another poster objects to them. I reported posts when two posters were trying their hardest to reveal the identity of an un named MP who was undergoing investigation; the allegations were proved to be unfounded, and the person concerned would have had cause for complaint had he read them. I was surprised that GN did not remove them because they would have been held responsible if action had been taken.

As always, there are more reasons behind deletions than are immediately apparent, and we have to accept: 'the judges' decision is final.'

It would depend on the poster whether I would say if I had reported. There are some quite aggressive people on the internet even on GN so I would be quite careful what I made public. I think we as a society need a sensible discussion about free speech but until we have that GN needs to operate within the parameters that most internet sites abide by. Putting free speech into the hands of those who own/run internet sites is about as dangerous as it gets but that's another story.

Message deleted by Gransnet. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

There is observably toxic behaviour all over GN, I fall down the rabbit hole of it all the time and get the warnings from HQ. I don't doubt I'll be suspended by the weekend as I'm on my last one, but I will be banned by some arbitrary and subjective moderating. It's a lazy way of running things that relies on the assumption that mature women can regulate their own attitudes, and that they are decent and honest enough not to game the system. The 'rules' were made by people who seem to have no clue about human nature.

I have no idea about mumsnet - on my odd foray there it always appears to be more of a nest of vipers than I can stomach.

Galaxy your final point is extremely thought provoking

Alegrias you don't need to give me a second talking to!

Bye for now then NellG ‼️???
If I miss you posting at least I’ll know in advance why this is.

Not giving you a talking to Fanny. Just pointing out that people think they are being reported or deleted for one reason when it might be something entirely different.

So really the posters are also the moderators if they chose to be offended ? Sounds very,very weird and unfair and certainly undemocratic. Tell me it isn’t true.

I have no idea what MN's rules are but all publisers on the internet should be aware by now that there will be a clamp down on fake news if they don't control it themselves so standards are, perhaps, rising from the gutter press level. It would be great if they did imo.

Hello Alegrias, I think that that is my point.
I'd rather be told that I'm being out of order rather than cobbling something together including Talk Guidelines and something about speculation that isn't actually in the said guidelines.

different age groups so people take different views over any subject.

But if you make an allegation about someone (sorry I didnt see the post so have no idea what you actually said) you must know it breaks guidelines. Not even just guidelines on here, guidelines across the whole of the internet, so if I said Fanny regularly steals boiled sweets from her local corner shop you could take action against me if you so desired.

Urmstongran

Bye for now then NellG ‼️???
If I miss you posting at least I’ll know in advance why this is.

I might flounce, I'm toying with it - but I haven't got the frills to do it well. It would be more of a baffled lurch but I'd go out on a laugh rather than a sneer ?

Sorry fanny that looks as if I have given you a third talking to, I didnt mean it in that way.

nanna8

So really the posters are also the moderators if they chose to be offended ? Sounds very,very weird and unfair and certainly undemocratic. Tell me it isn’t true.

It’s true - but it’s sometimes imo a confected offended based on another agenda.

Interesting Susie, thanks. A bit scary really.

Galaxy

But if you make an allegation about someone (sorry I didnt see the post so have no idea what you actually said) you must know it breaks guidelines. Not even just guidelines on here, guidelines across the whole of the internet, so if I said Fanny regularly steals boiled sweets from her local corner shop you could take action against me if you so desired.

But what I said (and it is actually irrelevant, if we are sticking to the supposition rather than the taste reason for deletion) is all over the internet, including MN.

(My real mistake was assuming that it was more widely known. I honestly didn't think that I was being controversial)

This site, as a pp said, is full of all manner of supposition

But no one will have reported it on MN because as a generalisation they dont hold such deep seated feelings about the royal family so no one will have seen it. If I popped over and reported it I am guessing it would be removed. There are conversations on here that wouldnt last 3 seconds on MN, I am often agog .

FC - no problem. Tbh I’ve been a member of both MN & GN for years & can count on one hand the posts I’ve reported.
I just feel it’s a bit sneaky, especially if the posts are just not to my taste, because as you say, define ‘bad taste’ - and fwiw, I like a forum that has lots of different characters and opinions, even if I don’t particularly like them, it just makes things far more interesting.

Sorry, not just over the internet, elsewhere as well.
Think stuff that you'd see in The Crown
Let's just say I wasn't exactly claiming that DoE was a paedophilic lizard.

Galaxy

But no one will have reported it on MN because as a generalisation they dont hold such deep seated feelings about the royal family so no one will have seen it. If I popped over and reported it I am guessing it would be removed. There are conversations on here that wouldnt last 3 seconds on MN, I am often agog .

Galaxy there are many pages long threads about dubious goings on in the RF on MN!

I hope you neither flounce nor are pushed, NellG, as I find your posts interesting and thoughtful. You are a good contributor to a site like this.