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FannyCornforth Thu 18-Mar-21 01:53:27

Hello
Are Gransnet and Mumsnet the same 'company', and are posting rules the same?
What follows now is what prompted my to ask.

I had three comments deleted on Tuesday due to them 'breaking talk guidelines', more specifically because they were 'gossip and speculation'. I was told to 'bear this is mind before posting'.
(There is no mention of 'gossip and speculation' in the Talk Guidelines).

I was rather surprised, for reasons which shall become clear, and a teeny bit peeved; but took in on the chin and totally accepted it.

However, it later came to mind that I'd actually learnt said 'gossip and speculation' (which isn't allowed) on Mumsnet.

Furthermore, I learnt this 'gossip and speculation' on a very long running MN thread from 2019, which concerned another senior member of the Windsor's alleged affair.

This morning I searched on MN for the name of this second alleged mistress, and her name appears over eighty times in relation to the Royal Family member.

One of the thread titles in which she appears is '(Insert name here) alleged affair' and another is titled 'Why are the UK press silent about Royal Family Member's alleged affair?'

They are very long running threads and are still available. There are many more threads which discuss the issue.

So, to cut a long story short; are talk guidelines the same on both sites, as it appears that they aren't.
I was under the impression that Gransnet and Mumsnet were one and the same.
Please can you shed some light on this?
Thank you very much!

NellG Thu 18-Mar-21 20:18:58

suziewoozie

I still think posters should be more responsible when posting ‘facts’ especially on threads were the temperature is rising, divisions are deep and tempers frayed. Are you sure you’re not infantalising posters a tad ?

I don't think so, I hope not - certainly not my intention. Just not everyone gets a buzz out of the same things.

Callistemon Thu 18-Mar-21 20:19:28

Urmstongran

And some sw could just try to read the bluddy thread first before posting! Grr.

Um, I've already had one.
Oh, go on then! wine Cheers

Urmstongran when I was 8 one of the boys in my class told me that if it was spelt bluddy it was swearing, if it was spelt bloody it was not.

I am shocked.

Urmstongran Thu 18-Mar-21 20:20:45

I’ve enjoyed all this too. Thanks all.
I’d love a wine Alegrias but I’ve cut back. Roll on Saturday haha!

NellG Thu 18-Mar-21 20:22:44

I don't do wine but I'll raise my coffee to you all ? cafe

Urmstongran Thu 18-Mar-21 20:23:48

❤️ it Calli!
I might start using blimming ?

Callistemon Thu 18-Mar-21 20:24:43

Perhaps we could all have a virtual group hug now? ?

Steady on Urm, we don't want to go overboard shock

Urmstongran Thu 18-Mar-21 20:26:29

Yeah you’re right Calli ... I think the emotion got to me. You know how it is. One person says something nice ....
?

Urmstongran Thu 18-Mar-21 20:27:55

Anyway, I’d best keep my powder dry.
There’s political threads that need jousting on soon enough.
Ooh that sounded mixed up but you know what I mean!

welbeck Thu 18-Mar-21 20:31:27

i've no idea what's going on.

Lucca Thu 18-Mar-21 20:35:01

Alegrias1

Well I'm having a glass of wine. Anybody want to join me? wine

Not allowed wine any more ?

Lucca Thu 18-Mar-21 20:36:47

So agree about reading the thread but often when I say that get told off!

Lucca Thu 18-Mar-21 20:37:18

Rafichagran.....thanks.

Alegrias1 Thu 18-Mar-21 20:37:47

I'm taking it in the spirit it's offered NellG but I've been this way for 60 years so I can't see me changing now ?. Once someone has said it twice, I know they won't change but I feel other posters need to know that what's being posted is...shall we say...innacurate? smile

Like suzie, I'm off to watch The Terror for some light relief!

JaneJudge Thu 18-Mar-21 20:46:37

I quite like being told facts but I live with engineers. I am an arty farty fairy snowflake though but you honestly would not believe what I am capable of smile We need each other more than any of of us ever acknowledge, on here, at home and everywhere

NellG Thu 18-Mar-21 20:55:58

About reading the threads - you know when they get really full on and heated and the posts are pinging like mad, and then some poor random newbie absently reads the OP and posts without realising there have been twenty digression, three coups and a civil war and we are all just about to launch the nukes. The end of modern civilisation is nigh and you get "But her dress was lovely and I named my cat after her Dad" or something - I find that hilarious and don't have the heart to correct it. People are fab. smile

Doodledog Thu 18-Mar-21 21:41:24

I find these threads a bit frustrating, as they remind me of when the Headmistress would say in assembly 'There is a thief in our midst!', and everyone would blush and panic in case they had accidentally robbed a bank on the way to school and forgotten about it. Often it meant that someone had lost their purse, or left something in the changing rooms and reported it as stolen genuinely believing it was, but even when there had been a actual theft, there was no point in making everyone feel bad.

I don't like the 'some posters' accusations (although I understand that naming names wouldn't be in the 'spirit of GN'). They can be very passive aggressive, and rarely hit home for various reasons. The 'offender' might not see their response in the same way as the accuser, so won't think the comment was about them, they might not care in any case, or they might think the comments are about someone else. Meanwhile, someone else could be feeling really bad, thinking that they were the one being targeted, or as someone said upthread, it could also be that the accuser is annoyed at 'losing' the argument, or doesn't like being proved wrong.

I haven't seen many requests for people to provide data before passing an opinion, but where I have it has been because the original claim was potentially dangerous (eg regarding vaccines) or outrageous (can't think of a real example, but you know - lizard invasions and the like).

I agree that sometimes there is a need to clear the air, and I'm not sure what the best way of doing it is, but I'm not sure that this is it.

I miss a lot of what goes on, I think - although my favourite threads tend to be the political ones - possibly this is because I am not remotely interested in the RF threads, so I don't bother opening them - it seems to be the best way to a quiet life grin.

FannyCornforth Fri 19-Mar-21 04:56:46

Aww, everyone's getting on! smile
Thank you all for making this such an unusual thread

NellG your last comment really made me smile, I love it when that happens too. Although I think that I may have done that sometimes on purpose myself (sneaky!)

Doodledog blimey, that was a bit of a downer. Never mind!

PippaZ Fri 19-Mar-21 06:32:46

People who join in being childishly catty do tend to sound as if they agree, FannyCornforth. I notice one of those stirring this rather nasty pot is someone who recently sent me a unsolicited PM tearing into people and how they commented on another thread. I can only think it was meant for someone else. If this type of thing is doing the rounds behind this thread it is no surprise that the perceptions of a small group about how unnamed individuals have posted on other threads seem to be in agreement.

Thank you Doodledog for you level-headed, adult comments. In a time when everyone is under pressure I can't believe GNHQ have allowed such a calculated, pernicious thread to continue.

Framilode Fri 19-Mar-21 06:46:36

Maybe Gransnet should make the user name public when a post is reported. I think there are probably some members who find it great sport to continually report posts just because they don't agree with a particular point of view.

nanna8 Fri 19-Mar-21 07:54:23

Why on earth would you have to produce ‘facts’ on a forum like this? Nuts. We are a bunch of grannies for goodness sake. Not journalists, not politicians, not teachers, not researchers. Take the carrots out, please.

Galaxy Fri 19-Mar-21 07:55:29

What does take the carrots out mean?

Mollygo Fri 19-Mar-21 08:04:20

Galaxy I want to know about the carrots idea too. I just googled it in case it was a known saying, but 20 links about getting carrots out of the ground has left me no wiser.??

JaneJudge Fri 19-Mar-21 08:22:19

I hope it isn't a reference to being able to see in the dark as I'm not able to do that either.

Lucca Fri 19-Mar-21 08:23:48

nanna8

Why on earth would you have to produce ‘facts’ on a forum like this? Nuts. We are a bunch of grannies for goodness sake. Not journalists, not politicians, not teachers, not researchers. Take the carrots out, please.

I really hate to be picky but we are definitely not just a bunch of grannies. Firstly there are plenty on who are not grandparents, secondly i sincerely trust most of us do not want to be defined by our grandparent status.

Alegrias1 Fri 19-Mar-21 08:24:29

I'm afraid comments like yours nanna8's about not needing facts are the ones that send me over the edge..... ?