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Fighting fire with fire? Plan to make UK the world leader in AI.

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Elegran Tue 14-Jan-25 05:13:35

. Prime Minister sets out blueprint to turbocharge AI.
Artificial intelligence will deliver a decade of national renewal, as part of a new plan announced today (13 January 2025).

www.gov.uk/government/news/prime-minister-sets-out-blueprint-to-turbocharge-ai

" . . in a world of fierce competition, we cannot stand by. We must move fast and take action to win the global race. . . Our plan will make Britain the world leader. " The Prime Minister, Keir Starmer

Well, I didn't see that one coming. Most people's opinions on AI are (like mine, to be honest) based on the rubbish that Facebook posters churn out using "AI for Dummies" type apps which steal bits of real posts and cobble them together to make pseudo-information.

I assume that the PM thinks we will be better off becoming the masters of this technology than its slaves or dupes. He could be right. The worst thing to do is ignore the phenomenon, know nothing of the good side of it, and be fooled by the bad side. The best path is to learn about how to use it and how to recognise when someone else is misleading us with it.

The reasoning seems to be that AI can automate and speed up production, data management and communication and improve efficiency and thus profitability.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 14-Jan-25 05:51:16

It is inevitable, so we should try to be at least prepared, if not ahead of the game.

Listening to people yesterday waxing lyrical about its uses - it is clearly not all bad, and one hopes that the areas which could be really problematic will be tackled and mitigated against , as far as possible.

Mamie Tue 14-Jan-25 06:33:15

I liked the way he emphasised the historical success of the UK in developing new technologies. I thought he spoke well, understood what he was talking about and seemed to be on top of the brief.
I agree that it is important to be at the cutting edge of development, given the skills that already exist in the UK.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 14-Jan-25 06:47:40

Starmer has given some good speeches lately.

M0nica Tue 14-Jan-25 07:52:52

It is meaningless tosh. Anyone can make aspirational speeches about what will happen in the future, but unless you then indicate how you intend to reach that nirvana, it is absolutely meaningless.

I am sure every other developed country has such aspirations. We heard similar speeches from various poiticians when in power about the wonders electric cars and battery plants would have in taking the economy forwards - and we can see what is happening there. The cars are made in China and the efforts to build battery plants has been disastrous.

As for our history of developing technology, yes we do - and then sell it off to the highest bidder, usually American and they make the money.

petra Tue 14-Jan-25 08:17:46

Elegran
This article is just a smidgen of the good AI can do.
Like myself and 2 family members who work in tech understand what good it can do.

www.forbes.com/sites/bernardmarr/2020/06/22/10-wonderful-examples-of-using-artificial-intelligence-ai-for-good/

keepingquiet Tue 14-Jan-25 08:21:04

If it helps free hospital staff to care for patients and teaching staff to teach then I welcome it.

It was called the new industrial revolution so even jaded old me is slightly excited by it.

Regulation and subsequent monitoring is essential though.

Oreo Tue 14-Jan-25 08:23:48

Whitewavemark2

It is inevitable, so we should try to be at least prepared, if not ahead of the game.

Listening to people yesterday waxing lyrical about its uses - it is clearly not all bad, and one hopes that the areas which could be really problematic will be tackled and mitigated against , as far as possible.

Oh yeah!
What could possibly go wrong?

Whitewavemark2 Tue 14-Jan-25 08:24:00

I’m going to teach myself how to make full use of it.

Iam64 Tue 14-Jan-25 08:24:08

Whitewavemark2

Starmer has given some good speeches lately.

Yes he has. He needs to keep on going in the face of criticism not always deserved

Whitewavemark2 Tue 14-Jan-25 08:24:24

Oreo

Whitewavemark2

It is inevitable, so we should try to be at least prepared, if not ahead of the game.

Listening to people yesterday waxing lyrical about its uses - it is clearly not all bad, and one hopes that the areas which could be really problematic will be tackled and mitigated against , as far as possible.

Oh yeah!
What could possibly go wrong?

You tell me

Whitewavemark2 Tue 14-Jan-25 08:25:58

Whitewavemark2

I’m going to teach myself how to make full use of it.

I have started using it in a limited way, but there is masses of use for it. I am another who finds it exiting.

Lathyrus3 Tue 14-Jan-25 08:29:12

I think it’s inevitable and like everything can be used for good or evil. I agree we should press forward.

Did the speech go on to say what we should actually do. I mean was there a plan, an outline of the steps we were going to take?

I worked in an environment where we had to have the vision statement backed up by a short, medium and long term plan.

Iam64 Tue 14-Jan-25 08:29:40

The example KS gave of the woman whose life was saved when AI identified the exact place in her brain the blood clot that caused her stroke was inspirational

Whitewavemark2 Tue 14-Jan-25 08:32:09

I worked in an environment where we had to have the vision statement backed up by a short, medium and long term plan

It is so good being retired!

I find stuff like that so depressing.

J52 Tue 14-Jan-25 08:34:19

AI is being widely used globally., it was a discussion we had at Christmas.
One DS works for a Global IT company, many of his clients are well known companies and organisations. The systems they request all now involve AI.
Other DS works for an international energy company and develops AI within the company.
As a country have to move with the times and in fact get ahead of developments.

Oreo Tue 14-Jan-25 08:36:38

Whitewavemark2

Oreo

Whitewavemark2

It is inevitable, so we should try to be at least prepared, if not ahead of the game.

Listening to people yesterday waxing lyrical about its uses - it is clearly not all bad, and one hopes that the areas which could be really problematic will be tackled and mitigated against , as far as possible.

Oh yeah!
What could possibly go wrong?

You tell me

People losing jobs at a faster rate than it should happen.
Books, music, art and so on being flooded with AI copies.
All sorts of strange and awful things could happen cos you can bet your little boots there won’t be much mitigation.

Read The Tin Men by Michael Frayn, hilarious, written in the mid 1960’s but never more pertinent.

Lathyrus3 Tue 14-Jan-25 08:38:08

Whitewavemark2

*I worked in an environment where we had to have the vision statement backed up by a short, medium and long term plan*

It is so good being retired!

I find stuff like that so depressing.

Yes I love being retired. It was so drummed into me that I even used to carry my own little LifePlan around with me in my Diary😱🙄

Now I find plans quite stressful. Even the short term ones like the dentist this morning.

I need to go and clean my teeth😬

NotSpaghetti Tue 14-Jan-25 08:39:57

My son has a tiny company and uses it.
Doesn't make it good but he says it's useful.

I'm most excited about the medical uses.

NotSpaghetti Tue 14-Jan-25 08:40:54

And yes, M0nica, I think we "sold this one off" too.

petra Tue 14-Jan-25 09:20:46

Oreo

Whitewavemark2

It is inevitable, so we should try to be at least prepared, if not ahead of the game.

Listening to people yesterday waxing lyrical about its uses - it is clearly not all bad, and one hopes that the areas which could be really problematic will be tackled and mitigated against , as far as possible.

Oh yeah!
What could possibly go wrong?

My daughter is testing a new NHS system that involves AI.
I know that she will do all that is humanly possible to make sure it’s as good as it can possible be.

Mamie Tue 14-Jan-25 10:17:56

M0nica

It is meaningless tosh. Anyone can make aspirational speeches about what will happen in the future, but unless you then indicate how you intend to reach that nirvana, it is absolutely meaningless.

I am sure every other developed country has such aspirations. We heard similar speeches from various poiticians when in power about the wonders electric cars and battery plants would have in taking the economy forwards - and we can see what is happening there. The cars are made in China and the efforts to build battery plants has been disastrous.

As for our history of developing technology, yes we do - and then sell it off to the highest bidder, usually American and they make the money.

That isn't true MOnica. You seem to be thinking of hard technology, but the soft power of the people working in research, training, systems analysis, architecture and implementation has been a huge market for the UK for decades. (My DH spent his career travelling the world in this field).
Tim Berners Lee had quite a bit of an impact worldwide, don't you think?
I thought Keir Starmer was pretty clear about the work that had already been done. I listened to the whole thing.
The danger will come if people scoff and ignore AI.

Homestead62 Tue 14-Jan-25 10:35:12

What can possibly go wrong? Be prepared for loads of redundancies as well when many jobs are replaced by AI.

Mamie Tue 14-Jan-25 10:53:15

That is true. Changes in employment are inevitable in any agricultural, industrial or technological revolution.

M0nica Tue 14-Jan-25 11:38:32

MamieYou have completely misunderstood what I wrote. I was not referring to the subject matter of what Starmer said as tosh, but what he said about Britain being a world leader and all the rest.

I am not scoffing and ignoring AI. I am merely saying that it is easy for Keir Starmer to spout all this aspirational tosh - and I am sure Prime Ministers across Europe are making identical speeches, but anyone can talk the talk, what we want to know is how he is going to walk the walk