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Some people did it due to racism and breing disgusting people and some did it because they were disgusting people

But some like that excuse

Have you traced your family history?

Times were different then.

That is not the point

I'm not excusing that behaviour

This is exactly what H/M are trying to do, split both the British and the Common Wealth public views of the RF. by showing such old clips and pointing out the pictures hanging on the walls in BH. of the past history.

In episode 2, she demonstrated a very dramatic, over-exaggeration of a curtsey to the Queen stating something like, "pleasure to meet you...." Quite frankly, I thought this display was disrespectful and distasteful. Seriously, she cut off her father for profiteering by giving interviews to the paparazzi, and I find this media attention seeking quite hypocritical. Mostly, I feel very sad for H. Both H and M show characteristics consistent with someone who has a personality disorder. Just saying ... I am a mental health professional, and I can see see these features readily.

Rabbitgran

I am sure that Meghan and Harry are right and it has been their duty to speak out and call out the racism, both of the individuals and the institution comprising the Royal Family. Then if the royals are genuinely good people with truly noble hearts, they can do something positive about it instead of appealing to the worst instincts of the mob and media. BestPeople have toadied to the royals all their lives so it's not surprising that eg. William, Charles and others are probably not very self aware and require some race education. I wonder if anyone in their circles or employment has suggested it. Maybe not.

If Meghan says that she has been subject to racism, she should be taken seriously, like any victim of abuse. All the worse that it comes from such a privileged institution. I find Charles absolutely disgusting when he complained he isn't a bank. Which super rich loving father denies his child and grandchildren the means to provide proper security? He clearly doesn't love Harry despite his protestations. He hasn't really been a very nice man in his personal relationships if the things he's done/not done are examined but I do respect his environmental work.

Well done to Harry for being a different kind of father and husband, he's no saint but he seems loving and to have his priorities right. He is setting his children a good example and is not just putting up with racism. If he put up with racism, what message would that send to his children?

Wow, Rabbitgran your name is perfect. You have clearly fallen down the H&M rabbit hole!

The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there.

Accept it. It doesn't prevent you from changing the present.

Jaffacake2

Callistemon21

All our ancestors are culpable.

True but some became very wealthy and still won't acknowledge their connection with slavery

True Jaffacake. Reparation long overdue.

Just to put a huge 🔧 in the works…
I was reminded of this yesterday.
I wonder if Meghan knows?

amp.theguardian.com/uk/2009/jan/12/prince-harry-racism

“All our ancestors were culpable”

I don’t think I agree with that. I don’t know about you, but around this period of history my ancestors were starving, working in the fields all day, and one of them being deported for catching a hare to put in the pot with turnip.

Life was cheap.

Harry will just say that was in the past and he knows better now because Meghan has transformed him.

Chestnut

Harry will just say that was in the past and he knows better now because Meghan has transformed him.

The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there.

Accept it. It doesn't prevent you from changing the present.

If this was Dr Who there'd be a rip in the space/time continuum right now. To do with the critics holding two diametrically opposing views at the same time.

Lathyrus

“All our ancestors were culpable”

I don’t think I agree with that. I don’t know about you, but around this period of history my ancestors were starving, working in the fields all day, and one of them being deported for catching a hare to put in the pot with turnip.

Life was cheap.

Exactly my thoughts! Many of our ancestors were little more than slaves, free to go but nowhere to go. Living and working in poverty. But without the wealthy white men they would mostly have had no work at all!

Lathyrus

“All our ancestors were culpable”

I don’t think I agree with that. I don’t know about you, but around this period of history my ancestors were starving, working in the fields all day, and one of them being deported for catching a hare to put in the pot with turnip.

Life was cheap.

Yes, you're right, wrong choice of word, although up until recently over the centuries I think many people benefited, even indirectly, from slavery although they may not have realised it.

and one of them being deported for catching a hare
I hope he and his descendants managed to make a good lives for themselves wherever he was sent.

One of mine got six months in prison for receiving part of a sheep to feed his family but wasn't deported.

I don’t think I agree with your last sentence either. I must be having a disagreeable day😬

The wealthy upper class date back to the Norman conquest, I think, when the land that had been owned by the many was taken and given to the few.
And then the sheep enclosures took away even the little the few had, like common land.

Without that ruling class there would have been work aplenty.

Seriously, she cut off her father for profiteering by giving interviews to the paparazzi, and I find this media attention seeking quite hypocritical

Excellent point, SophiaCharm

I don’t think I agree with your last sentence either
🤔
I've got a record of it. Not everyone was deported automatically.

Lathyrus

I don’t think I agree with your last sentence either. I must be having a disagreeable day😬

The wealthy upper class date back to the Norman conquest, I think, when the land that had been owned by the many was taken and given to the few.
And then the sheep enclosures took away even the little the few had, like common land.

Without that ruling class there would have been work aplenty.

Well I totally agree with this post Lathyrus.
I wish people would take time to think about this fact.

Rabbitgran, Just like to gently point out that Charles bankrolled H & M for the first year of their new life to the tune of 2,5 million pounds. Harry was a 36 year old married man with several, several millions left to him both by his mother and great grandmother, more money in fact than most of us could dream of. Meghan had, we believe,5 million pounds of her own money. I can't believe that anyone would expect a father to continue to bankroll their offsprings extravagant life style, or any life style come to that at that stage in their life or with substantial funds of their own! I know I wouldn't!! Charles is not an unpleasant man as you seem to think, yes I do know this for a fact, in fact he's quite the opposite, a courteous well meaning man that H&M were attempting to financially exploit, and that he was quite right to say No to

No, not you. Oh dear. I meant Chestnuts last sentence about there wouldn’t have been any jobs without the wealthy.

Ironically my ancestor was sent to a Caribbean island to work alongside the slaves there. Although, he had a time served date (15 years I think) which they did not.

FannyCornforth

Just to put a huge 🔧 in the works…
I was reminded of this yesterday.
I wonder if Meghan knows?

amp.theguardian.com/uk/2009/jan/12/prince-harry-racism

Is anyone going to read this please?
Thank you

That was to Callistemon.

I think I d better go and wrap some parcels.

I’m not being cogent😬

If Meghan says that she has been subject to racism, she should be taken seriously, like any victim of abuse

Just because someone says something does not make it true.

This statement has to be taken in the context of other claims made which are debatable and, with no person, family or aide, able to refute her claims we may never know the truth.

Again - recollections may vary.

I can't believe that anyone would expect a father to continue to bankroll their offsprings extravagant life style, or any life style come to that at that stage in their life

And you KNOW that Harry EXPECTED this? How might you know that I wonder? Or is that just speculation on your part? Maybe Charles offered? - you don't know and neither do I nor anyone else.

This is the crux of this debacle - people (and the media) making assumptions and using them for fuel for condemning H & M, who have become top of the scapegoat list.

I wonder ..... would anyone consider this to be reasonable behaviour in any other context? If we got wind of a rumour about someone in our village/town, would we condemn them/spread unfounded rumours? I sincerely hope not!

FannyCornforth

FannyCornforth

Just to put a huge 🔧 in the works…
I was reminded of this yesterday.
I wonder if Meghan knows?

amp.theguardian.com/uk/2009/jan/12/prince-harry-racism

Is anyone going to read this please?
Thank you

Yes, I have read it and I mentioned it a long way back up-thread - or maybe it was on the other thread. Thanks for posting the link as I remember it at the time but it was interesting to refresh my memory. Thanks Fanny.

Luckygirl3 And you KNOW that Harry EXPECTED this? How might you know that I wonder? Or is that just speculation on your part? Maybe Charles offered? - you don't know and neither do I nor anyone else.

Did you watch the Oprah interview? Harry said this himself.