WATCHING ...Harry & Meghan Netflix

icanhandthemback

Speak for yourself, Boz. She may have irritated you with her touchy-feely, woke Californian way but she didn't irritate me. Sounds like a bit of xenophobia there!

Tell me you're being ironic?!

volver

The examples used about Harry happened when he was 21 or so.

The DoE continued making "dubious" comments into his eighties, long after we all knew they were dubious, and no doubt someone had suggested he might tone them down a bit. I actually find it quite laughable that anyone would think that the DoE's comments ceased when someone told him how unacceptable they were.

The examples used about Harry happened when he was 21 or so.

Later than the Duke of Edinburgh's remarks, then?

I think some of the Duke of Edinburgh's remarks were nonPC;
the one to students in China was 😲
However, was the last time he was criticised about 2002, when he went to Tjapukai where they did demonstrate ancient skills?

Ernie Brim, who worked at the centre during that time, said he had fond memories of speaking to the Queen about the spears.

"I just used the analogy of our ancestral weaponry to the modernised sports today like javelin and in the UK that's a pretty big competition and she was fascinated by it," Mr Brim said.

Harry's were expressed later than that in quite a different category and he also has moved on since those days, thankfully.

Joseanne

There's a very measured article about Harry by Hilary Rose in The Times Magazine. It seems Meghan is the only one who has succeeded in changing him from being a bit of a wastrel

I've always said all it takes is the influence of a good woman!!

Callistemon21

Mollygo
Not just the language and not just in active service either. The language, the liquor consumption, the endless smoking all of which is seen as less acceptable now.
But try being in Plymouth or another port years ago when ships came in-better stay at home or risk being told they were just letting off steam!
Really?
I lived there quite safely for years and visited the many times Dockyard too.
😁
And therein lies the value of posting so people get different views.
We often met up with my RN BiL in Plymouth and went out for the evening with him and his shipmates.
Noisy, lots of smoking, drinking and interesting language. Funnily though, the F and C words used today weren’t in evidence and neither were we afraid of being shot or knifed if a dispute broke out.

We often met up with my RN BiL in Plymouth and went out for the evening with him and his shipmates

Smoking was more accepted years ago - ask him if he remembers Blue Liners (the sweepings up from the floor!) and, of course, a daily tot was order of the day too.
Thank goodness Tony Blair stopped smoking in public places.

But you're right, I don't think there was the fear of going out at night years ago that there is in some places now.

Gabrielle56

He behaved like most closetted upper crust eejits do! Over compensation for a cosseted and controlled existence by trying far too hard to be badder, drunker, louder than those around them who look on in amusement at the show off toff making a fool of himself.seen it so many times! Thing is , when things get really edgy , they skidaddle back to the country pile.......all mouth and trousers usually

For a moment I got confused between this thread and the one on prejudice and judgements.

“Lots of smoking, drinking and interesting language.

Sounds like Smiths Crusps where I worked years ago, a football match or well, just a night out.

People are pretty much the same wherever.

I’ve even seen interesting language on Gransnet😬

Gabrielle56

icanhandthemback

Speak for yourself, Boz. She may have irritated you with her touchy-feely, woke Californian way but she didn't irritate me. Sounds like a bit of xenophobia there!

Tell me you're being ironic?!

No, just more tolerant than a lot of people on here.

I am just amazed at how so many people on this thread claim to have intimate knowledge of the thoughts and motivations of members of the RF. Where did this come from? Do people know them personally - even if they did I doubt they'd know as much as they claim about these people. They use first name terms, know all about the reasons the late Queen and the Duke and Duchess of Sussex said and did everything.

I suggest that most of this "information" is either from the tabloids, or the imagination of those who made their mind up who the goodies and baddies were and see every little action as fulfiilling their preconceived prejudices. "Kate" can do no wrong, "Megan" can do no right, but best not to watch a TV programme in case you learn something that might question your view. The double standard is shameful: if "Kate" smiles it's wonderful, if "Megan" smiles it's attention-seeking.

I'm still waiting to hear of one single, objective FACT about the Duchess of Sussex that condemns her and I have been listening out. Just why does she deserve death threats? I fear this black and white thinking has an ugly name, and an ugly mindset. Have those who so roundly condemn this couple made any attempt to check facts, or better still, try and put themselves in others' shoes and show some kindness and charity to others? They might do well to try it, after all it's Christmas.

LankyDolly

I am just amazed at how so many people on this thread claim to have intimate knowledge of the thoughts and motivations of members of the RF. Where did this come from? Do people know them personally - even if they did I doubt they'd know as much as they claim about these people. They use first name terms, know all about the reasons the late Queen and the Duke and Duchess of Sussex said and did everything.

I suggest that most of this "information" is either from the tabloids, or the imagination of those who made their mind up who the goodies and baddies were and see every little action as fulfiilling their preconceived prejudices. "Kate" can do no wrong, "Megan" can do no right, but best not to watch a TV programme in case you learn something that might question your view. The double standard is shameful: if "Kate" smiles it's wonderful, if "Megan" smiles it's attention-seeking.

I'm still waiting to hear of one single, objective FACT about the Duchess of Sussex that condemns her and I have been listening out. Just why does she deserve death threats? I fear this black and white thinking has an ugly name, and an ugly mindset. Have those who so roundly condemn this couple made any attempt to check facts, or better still, try and put themselves in others' shoes and show some kindness and charity to others? They might do well to try it, after all it's Christmas.

Well quite - I have been labouring this point to no avail. The determination to condemn is pretty darn scary.

The sad fact about the advent of Social Media is that almost everyone who is on there will receive abuse, threats and even death threats. I don’t think Meghan is alone there.

Race, sex, religion, ethnicity, wealth whatever. Anyone.
You don’t have to be known to your abuser. Just not agreeing with them is enough.

Even some posters on Gransnet aren’t above doing it.

LankyDolly

I am just amazed at how so many people on this thread claim to have intimate knowledge of the thoughts and motivations of members of the RF. Where did this come from? Do people know them personally - even if they did I doubt they'd know as much as they claim about these people. They use first name terms, know all about the reasons the late Queen and the Duke and Duchess of Sussex said and did everything.

I suggest that most of this "information" is either from the tabloids, or the imagination of those who made their mind up who the goodies and baddies were and see every little action as fulfiilling their preconceived prejudices. "Kate" can do no wrong, "Megan" can do no right, but best not to watch a TV programme in case you learn something that might question your view. The double standard is shameful: if "Kate" smiles it's wonderful, if "Megan" smiles it's attention-seeking.

I'm still waiting to hear of one single, objective FACT about the Duchess of Sussex that condemns her and I have been listening out. Just why does she deserve death threats? I fear this black and white thinking has an ugly name, and an ugly mindset. Have those who so roundly condemn this couple made any attempt to check facts, or better still, try and put themselves in others' shoes and show some kindness and charity to others? They might do well to try it, after all it's Christmas.

Yes, scary stuff indeed.

But my question 'why oh why are you watching it'? I have no intention to do so.

You see lankydolly even you, whilst condemning other people’s “ugly thinking” couldn’t help having a couple of little digs at “Kate”.

So you’re no different from other people who have a dig at Meghan, are you?

I agree Lankydolly. This need to hate people is alarming.

If this is what M&H are going through, imagine the hatred and poison that would have been thrown at the Duke of Windsor and Mrs. Simpson.

Meh! Nothing I would say about any of this which everyone doesn't already know. Neither very interesting, nor unexpected. My take was that she never was going to be a great member of the Royal family a very good member of the Royal family, not unless there's a lot more Royal involved and a lot less family, if you know what I mean. Maybe future episodes will reveal a bit, but so far so fair.

Lathyrus, can you point out exactly how LankyDolly had digs about Kate?

icanhandthemback

Gabrielle56

icanhandthemback

Speak for yourself, Boz. She may have irritated you with her touchy-feely, woke Californian way but she didn't irritate me. Sounds like a bit of xenophobia there!

Tell me you're being ironic?!

No, just more tolerant than a lot of people on here.

Some families are huggy and some aren't.

Callistemon21

icanhandthemback

Gabrielle56

icanhandthemback

Speak for yourself, Boz. She may have irritated you with her touchy-feely, woke Californian way but she didn't irritate me. Sounds like a bit of xenophobia there!

Tell me you're being ironic?!

No, just more tolerant than a lot of people on here.

Some families are huggy and some aren't.

That's far too rational Callistemon.

I remember hugging my MIL when DH and I got engaged.
She was startled and ramrod straight, I got embarrassed.

However, she did become more huggy over the years 🙂

A huggy Mum

Callistemon21

icanhandthemback

Gabrielle56

icanhandthemback

Speak for yourself, Boz. She may have irritated you with her touchy-feely, woke Californian way but she didn't irritate me. Sounds like a bit of xenophobia there!

Tell me you're being ironic?!

No, just more tolerant than a lot of people on here.

Some families are huggy and some aren't.

Particularly in the UK. Go to Italy or many other countries, and try and find any family that isn't.

Not watched it - but may do at some point when nothing better to do.
I can't get it out of my head that Meghan was an actress - so find it very hard to judge if she is genuine or not.
I also think that this was a couple who had issues with the media and since they have made a new life abroad everything they do is the opposite - they seem to court the media. Trying to make sure that they won't be forgotten??

I am a hugger, especially family also close friends (and a couple of gransnetters), that is what I found so hard during Covid restrictions.

I know folks who served with Prince Harry in the forces and they haven’t a bad word to say about him.

swampy1961

Not watched it - but may do at some point when nothing better to do.
I can't get it out of my head that Meghan was an actress - so find it very hard to judge if she is genuine or not.
I also think that this was a couple who had issues with the media and since they have made a new life abroad everything they do is the opposite - they seem to court the media. Trying to make sure that they won't be forgotten??

Actors are human beings, they bleed if you cut them, they have the same emotions as we do.