Harry and Meghan: The Rise And Fall.

Meghan says they are proud of their daughter, Lilibet because she is encouraged to speak up for herself and has found her voice.

Sounds just like the kind of three year old I would rather not have sitting at the table next to me in a restaurant. 😂

Luckygirl3

How do you know where she wanted to be? What is it you think she wanted? In what way is Harry sidelined?

They must get so very tired of people spouting assumptions like this. No wonder they are pissed off!

oh for goodness sake, you don't think they read this, do you?

She also flew to the USA for a baby shower when she was expecting Archie, didn’t she?

Where was her passport then, or was one not required? 🤷‍♀️

As for Archie’s title, I think they were offered Earl of Dumbarton, one of Harry’s titles, but because it had ‘dumb’ in it, it was a no go (apparently).

And seeing as the Queen was in her 90’s, if only they could have been a little bit patient, the ‘Prince’ title would have been given to Archie upon her death, as then he would have been entitled to it, being the grandson of the monarch, which wasn’t the case when he was born,

As has happened.

All this nonsense about it being denied because of what colour he might have been…..

Charleygirl5

I believe Charles and William will be discussing next week whether to remove the Duke and Duchess title from that pair. Unfortunately they cannot remove the word Prince but their children will be stripped of their titles. I would like to see them plain Mr. and Mrs. but that will never happen.

I still have not recovered from hearing an outfit costing £17K was purchased for the Colombia trip.

Maybe The Duke and Duchess Of York's titles could also be considered to be removed and the Princess titles their daughters get.

Harry told the world what he said at the bedside of his dead
Grandmother, vile man

merlotgran

I wonder if Meghan would have wanted to marry Harry if he hadn’t been saddled with the Prince/duke label? 🤔

It was a win - win choice, if he stayed with her they would be rich, if not she would be a rich divorcee. The eventual outcome couldn’t have been predicted, either way it was a meal ticket for her and kids.

I've always thought that Meghan has manipulated Harry to always get her own way. He seems weak maybe through his upbringing and losing his mother was a huge blow.
Harry found a woman who could think for him as in " I didn't know how angry I was till Meghan told me".
I don't hate these two. Just find them rather pathetic.

But you and I and anyone else is allowed to be pathetic - as many humans are - without being vilified in the media.

oh for goodness sake, you don't think they read this, do you? - no I do not think they read this. But I think they read this sort of thing being spouted in the media all the time.

Luckygirl3

This is a young man who was born into one life (not his choice) and chose another because it had made him unhappy. I have no problem with this.

There is now a rift with his family because he would not toe the line. Sad, but not uncommon.

The problem is that people had unrealistic expectations of him and his wife and raised them to fairytale prince and princess status, so when he turned out to be just a normal young man they felt cheated - that is not his fault.

He is forever saddled with the prince/duke label so he has no choice but to use that to forge a future career - it is going to follow him around whatever he does and he will not be able to get an ordinary job. He has used his titles to do some good - Invictus Games etc. - well done him. Not using the titles is not an option - it is tattooed on his every cell whether he likes it or not.

The press have treated him and Meghan atrociously and he is right to be angry about that. But whatever he does they will hound him.

He chose to leave what we all know is a very dysfunctional family - people do this all the time - it is a sane thing to do.

You are very bold to post this on a Knocking Harry and Megan post,😱 but I completely agree with you.

AGAA4

I've always thought that Meghan has manipulated Harry to always get her own way. He seems weak maybe through his upbringing and losing his mother was a huge blow.
Harry found a woman who could think for him as in " I didn't know how angry I was till Meghan told me".
I don't hate these two. Just find them rather pathetic.

I too think that Meghan is the leading force in the relationship - the way she places her hand on his back, as though to reassure him, she seems a very confident assured person, which maybe the attraction for Harry, who does come across as rather lost and weak. Some people are happy to pootle along, letting someone else lead. I just hope that Meghan doesn't overpower Harry with her decisions and that he has a say.

Not using the titles is not an option - it is tattooed on his every cell whether he likes it or not.
What is he qualified to do that he can’t do because of a title?

merlotgran

Meghan says they are proud of their daughter, Lilibet because she is encouraged to speak up for herself and has found her voice.

Sounds just like the kind of three year old I would rather not have sitting at the table next to me in a restaurant. 😂

You don't think being unpleasant about the children might be sinking a bit low even for one of these threads.

Ilovecheese

merlotgran

Meghan says they are proud of their daughter, Lilibet because she is encouraged to speak up for herself and has found her voice.

Sounds just like the kind of three year old I would rather not have sitting at the table next to me in a restaurant. 😂

You don't think being unpleasant about the children might be sinking a bit low even for one of these threads.

I think the jibe is aimed at the mother not the child. When I read the remark I thought it fatuous piffle.

The child is only 3, and my memory of having a 3 year old daughter, admittedly a very assertive one, was that the last thing she needed was to be encouraged to speak up for herself, she was already doing it very effectively. In fact i would say most 3 year olds manage very well whether encouraged to speak up or not.

What 'finding her voice' means I haven't a clue!

Well apparently Harry is not happy in his current life. This info comes from one of his friends (who has dobbed him in so now he knows what it feels like) 😂

Quote:
But, according to one of Harry's oldest pals, the Duke is hiding anger and frustration beneath the surface as he would rather be in Britain with his friends and family.
Speaking to The Times, the friend claimed they are among the few who get 'the odd WhatsApp from him', adding: 'He's an angry boy. Things haven't turned out how he wanted. 'I think he misses being over here [in Britain] desperately and wants to be admired more. Anyone who knows him feels he'd rather be top of the pops here with everyone loving him, as they do with William and Kate.'
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13755679/Prince-Harry-faux-royal-tour-ends-Colombia-angry.html

I feel sure he does miss living in Britain. Sounds reasonable.

Harry must miss the popularity he had before he became involved with Meghan. I used to like him even more than William.

Luckygirl3 There is now a rift with his family because he would not toe the line

There's not a rift "because he would not toe the line", there's a rift because of the cruel, spiteful and untrue things he said about his family.

He cannot have his cake and eat it. Senior members of other European royal families have opted out as they did and quite a number have moved to the US where they live anonymous lives in suburban houses with jobs that earn them a living.

There was nothing stopping Harry doing exactly the same thing. If he wanted to buy expensive houses, live a rich man's life, that is his problem brought upon himslef.

I am sure H must wake up some mornings and wish he could go for a long tramp over the Scottish hills in mist and rain, and possibly shoot something as well. He certainly doesn't look happy at present.

There's not a rift "because he would not toe the line", there's a rift because of the cruel, spiteful and untrue things he said about his family. How do you know they are untrue? I don't know whether they are. Where does your privileged knowledge come from?

quite a number have moved to the US where they live anonymous lives in suburban houses with jobs that earn them a living. - do you think the media would let him do that? I don't.

For a couple who didn't want to be part of the Royal family, they have made a fortune airing their families dirty washing, they are ever desperate to still be front page news, its obvious Harry wants to heal the rift but the only chance he's got is if they break up. I haven’t seen the programme as I've seen and heard enough of them.

We know that the claim they were married 3 days before the wedding isn't true. We know that Archie wasn't denied a title because he's mixed race. We know that H wasn't at school when he received a 'phone call to tell him his GM, the Queen Mother had died because he was on a skiing trip with Charles and William.

Isn't that enough to question the validity of anything he comes out with Luckygirl?

Every family has its disagreements, but how many members would discuss them in public broadcasts, write a book about them and sell them to make money?
I don't suppose Harry knows much about the Duke of Windsor, but he thought he could abdicate yet continue to float in and out of Britain as though nothing had happened, and was astonished to discover he could not. Harry will be a pariah in Britain just like his Uncle Andrew whatever happens between him and Meghan.

We know that the claim they were married 3 days before the wedding isn't true. - I'm guessing they had something private between themselves prior to the jamboree.

We know that Archie wasn't denied a title because he's mixed race - how do you know this?

* We know that H wasn't at school when he received a 'phone call to tell him his GM, the Queen Mother had died because he was on a skiing trip with Charles and William.* - one error we are told.

I have no axe to grind for this couple. It just disturbs me that so many mature people, with experience of the world and the behaviour of the media, are willing to damn this young couple, to the point of claiming knowledge they do not possess - they must be reading the gutter press and believing what they see; or undertaking forensic research with a view to slating two young people whom they do not know.

Leave them be - do not join in the feeding frenzy.

Farzanah

Luckygirl3

This is a young man who was born into one life (not his choice) and chose another because it had made him unhappy. I have no problem with this.

There is now a rift with his family because he would not toe the line. Sad, but not uncommon.

The problem is that people had unrealistic expectations of him and his wife and raised them to fairytale prince and princess status, so when he turned out to be just a normal young man they felt cheated - that is not his fault.

He is forever saddled with the prince/duke label so he has no choice but to use that to forge a future career - it is going to follow him around whatever he does and he will not be able to get an ordinary job. He has used his titles to do some good - Invictus Games etc. - well done him. Not using the titles is not an option - it is tattooed on his every cell whether he likes it or not.

The press have treated him and Meghan atrociously and he is right to be angry about that. But whatever he does they will hound him.

He chose to leave what we all know is a very dysfunctional family - people do this all the time - it is a sane thing to do.

You are very bold to post this on a Knocking Harry and Megan post,😱 but I completely agree with you.

He can fully abdicate, not just partly, his Royal privileges, just like his great grand uncle. He can disown his titles as he has done his family.