Gregg Wallace : Another report

MissInterpreted

Sarnia

I wonder why Kirsty Wark took 14 years to decide she had been sexualised by Gregg Wallace. Reminds me of Only Fools and Horses when Del is telling Rodney that a local lady had gone to the police to complain she had been 'interfered with' a week before. When Rodney asked why it had taken her a week to report it, Del replied she didn't know she had been interfered with until the cheque bounced.

'Sexualised'? That's a funny way to put it...
Also, are you suggesting that these woman are only on the lookout for a cheque\?

Goodness me. Sexualised was a word Kirsty Wark used herself and John Sullivan who Only Fools as a comedy series but of course, that was back in the day when people could have a laugh and not take everything so literally. MissInterpreted suits you very well.

vegansrock

A lot did complain at the time but it was swept under the rug

Agreed!

welbeck

some of these people victim blaming attitudes are sadly still found among some older women.
They don't seem interested in educating themselves about the issues.
Some have asserted that they don't know anyone who's been harassed. I pointed out that maybe for some obscure reason the people who have been harassed didn't feel comfortable confiding in them.
What is the age limit for jury service now?

I couldn’t agree more my 🤦🏼‍♀️ emoji is practically worn out.

I’m pleased to think that we are bringing up our daughters and granddaughters not to put up with this sort of behaviour and to call it out, older men seem to think their ‘ banter’ is an acceptable way to behave , I hope I’ve taught my sons aged between 50 and 36 better.

Sarnia

MissInterpreted

Sarnia

I wonder why Kirsty Wark took 14 years to decide she had been sexualised by Gregg Wallace. Reminds me of Only Fools and Horses when Del is telling Rodney that a local lady had gone to the police to complain she had been 'interfered with' a week before. When Rodney asked why it had taken her a week to report it, Del replied she didn't know she had been interfered with until the cheque bounced.

'Sexualised'? That's a funny way to put it...
Also, are you suggesting that these woman are only on the lookout for a cheque\?

Goodness me. Sexualised was a word Kirsty Wark used herself and John Sullivan who Only Fools as a comedy series but of course, that was back in the day when people could have a laugh and not take everything so literally. MissInterpreted suits you very well.

I just said that was a funny way to put it - how is that misinterpreting anything?

Farzanah

Sometimes women did speak up in the past and were not listened to. It’s much easier to call out unacceptable behaviour now, so I think things have improved.
Remember all the girly calendars in offices?
I think we still have a way to go however.

All the girly calendars in offices ! Not just my office then...... The upper echelons in my firm had their own individual offices. One of the senior bunch famously had a "Playboy" calender on his wall. I'm a reasonably tough cookie but it made even me feel a bit uncomfortable.
This man's boss didn't like it( but the protocol was that censure had to be done at regional, not local level) so when the regional Boss came to check the books , he was deliberately placed in the office with the Playboy Calender. I think it was taken down after that.
Karmic story. In the general office one of the male juniors drew to our attention "the Page 7 fella" ( I think it was the Sun's attempt at equality to the Page 3 girl )and we were all giggling over it. Mr Playboy Calender came out of his office and saw it and didn't like this one little bit.
I bet nonone under 50 can believe that Girly Calenders in offices were permissible at all.
I know 'cause I was there.

You couldn’t make this up.
His friends are claiming he’s Autistic. 😡

MissInterpreted

Sarnia

MissInterpreted

Sarnia

I wonder why Kirsty Wark took 14 years to decide she had been sexualised by Gregg Wallace. Reminds me of Only Fools and Horses when Del is telling Rodney that a local lady had gone to the police to complain she had been 'interfered with' a week before. When Rodney asked why it had taken her a week to report it, Del replied she didn't know she had been interfered with until the cheque bounced.

'Sexualised'? That's a funny way to put it...
Also, are you suggesting that these woman are only on the lookout for a cheque\?

Goodness me. Sexualised was a word Kirsty Wark used herself and John Sullivan who Only Fools as a comedy series but of course, that was back in the day when people could have a laugh and not take everything so literally. MissInterpreted suits you very well.

I just said that was a funny way to put it - how is that misinterpreting anything?

Kirsty Wark has never said she was sexualised by Greg Wallace. News reports say he used sexualised language. No idea what the John Sullivan reference is about. Maybe you could explain Sarnia, and provide a link re Wark saying she was sexualised by Wallace, if I'm wrong?

petra

You couldn’t make this up.
His friends are claiming he’s Autistic. 😡

He definitely has an autistic son, he may be autistic himself. That’s not an excuse for his behaviour though.

winterwhite

All this is very true and I know nothing about this man but I dislike these cases coming up out of the past. I think people should speak up at the time and not let it drop.

No idea how old you are. But for us who were young women in the 60s and 70s, and probably later- those complaints would be laughed at- such behaviour was accepted as the norm and young women not believed, or told not to make a fuss, and to even 'take it as a compliment'. Women just didn't dare complain- knowing it would be turned against them, too often. Oh, but you were asking for it, with that short skirt' etc.

I'd suggest these who have never encountered this kind of behaviour, and know of nobody that has, do, in fact, know people who have.

Statistics show something like one in three females have.
No link, apart from a link into my head, and that's a murky, fuzzy old place.

It takes a long time for a change in attitudes to filter into society.

Like many on here, I was a teenager in the 60's and early 70's. It was pretty much accepted by girls and women that men would "try it on" in various ways and talk in ways that are now deemed inappropriate.

It was the days of an emerging "pop culture" and tbh, there were hundreds of young girls champing at the bit to be groupies and, I know very well, would boast about famous guys they'd slept with. It was a badge of honour for them. It wasn't penned the permissive society for no reason!

In those days it probably wouldn't have occurred to us to speak out if a man acted inappropriately - it was just the way things were.

Thank goodness that our daughters and all those girls who came after us started to see the interaction between male and female differently - but it's been a long time coming.

And I don't think it's a case of a lot women coming out of the woodwork to talk about their experience with him, more a case of them saying "oh - he was the same when I worked with him" but didn't feel compelled to say anything at the time for any number of perfectly valid reasons.

I saw him on TV for the first time presenting a series about manufacturers - this episode was Ercol furniture. I had to turn it off - his silly, over enthusiastic behaviour and constant cries of 'WOW' became so irritating.

We had a couple of male teachers that were a bit "handy" when I was at school.
When I did jury service, one of the girls was taken to task for claiming her teacher "looked at her" (along with other things)

The woman solicitor said "I doubt there is a single female in this room who doesn't understand what kind of look it was".
And all the women nodded.

I dislike the complacency of "it never happened to me, or anyone else I know" well that's that then is it? Proof such things didn't happen. I certainly remember uncomfortable experiences, loads of innuendo, half naked pin ups in offices. It was the 70s that's what it was like and as a young woman the tacit mood of the time, a time where men ruled the roost was "put up with it!"

Was it "The likely Lads" where one was being sent into a school to work?
A whole programme about how he was going to resist temptation, faced with teen girls.

That was respectable family viewing at that time.

Something about the culture of the workplace I suppose. As I said, where I worked the females gave as good as they got. I suspect some of the younger lads could have complained about us! Not a proud boast but something about the group culture led us to it.

No doubt the environment and attitudes of coworkers would make a difference, I've agree.

Not disagreeing with any of the comments but I firmly believe noone should be named prior to an investigation. If found to have committed these offences named and shamed but not until then......This could ruin a person's life and career if allegations are not upheld.

Yet another gransnet thread where women, the victims, are blamed or criticised for not either telling abusive men where to get off, or not complaining on the day. So few criticisms of the men involved.
Little wonder women keep schtum

Crossstitch Fan and NonGrannyMoll,

I hadn't thought of equating "Upskirting" with looking up a woman's/girl's skirt because I thought that the photography would require much more premeditation and more intrusive behaviour(positioning themselves under escalators/ shoving a camera under a skirt going up steps etc.)I can see however that it is in the same ballpark.Also I had forgotten about short skirts because it has been so long since I wore one.
You make some very good points about women's role in managing the ritual of men and women's "getting together". It has always been a difficult area because it relies on trust and respect for boundaries on both sides.
I presume it is managed differently these days and posibly better.
I also agree that when we were young women , we women in the office gave as good as we got and some of the young men could have complained about us.!

Iam64

Yet another gransnet thread where women, the victims, are blamed or criticised for not either telling abusive men where to get off, or not complaining on the day. So few criticisms of the men involved.
Little wonder women keep schtum

There’s plenty of criticism of the men, but how are they supposed to be dealt with if people don’t speak out.
That is one of the problems in the current AoC issue. If you don’t speak out about a problem, it will continue.

People need to be encouraged to speak out, not met with tight lipped disapproval, or statements of what other people would have done.
That's the last way to assist in bringing these issues to the fore.

MissInterpreted

Sarnia

MissInterpreted

Sarnia

I wonder why Kirsty Wark took 14 years to decide she had been sexualised by Gregg Wallace. Reminds me of Only Fools and Horses when Del is telling Rodney that a local lady had gone to the police to complain she had been 'interfered with' a week before. When Rodney asked why it had taken her a week to report it, Del replied she didn't know she had been interfered with until the cheque bounced.

'Sexualised'? That's a funny way to put it...
Also, are you suggesting that these woman are only on the lookout for a cheque\?

Goodness me. Sexualised was a word Kirsty Wark used herself and John Sullivan who Only Fools as a comedy series but of course, that was back in the day when people could have a laugh and not take everything so literally. MissInterpreted suits you very well.

I just said that was a funny way to put it - how is that misinterpreting anything?

You asked if I was suggesting those women are only on the lookout for a cheque. No, I wasn't. I was attempting to point out the length of time it took both women to be aware of something untoward happening to them.

Yes he's definitely guilty. Years ago, I saw the dislike for him in contestants faces and always wondered why. There wsz always something about him which made me think he's a dirty old man.