"Regressive and sexist"

a woman who possesses a penis

how does that work?

I did see that, Suziewoozie. Good move on their part.

Grapefruitpip a woman with a penis is a natal-male who now identitifies as female but has not had any surgery so retains the genitals they were born with.

And that describe the vast majority of ‘trans-women’. Trans-sexuals ( ie those who’ve had surgery) are a small minority.

women and young girls need safe places.
Because men are predatory

And even if they ( the men) are not predatory, women and girls are entitled to dignity and privacy.

elegran

"That is not equality, it is the supremacy of the strongest (due to their testosterone-conditioned combative instincts) and the most vocal."

I totally agree with this. And having read a book written by a trans woman that what how I ended up thinking.....it was aggressive and entitled in the way that men often are.
Like the ones that mansplain. No real insight to what a woman feels anywhere. I won't say which book.

Elegran and pinkquartz, I agree with the statement too.
I’m afraid that I regard anyone with a penis as male, and until that organ is removed they are male in my opinion. In fact science regards them as male regardless, because if they have XY chromosomes rather than XX chromosomes, then they are male. I don’t want to share female only spaces with people who have a penis. I’m sorry if that offends anyone, but the idea of sharing a female changing room for example, with a person who has a penis is not something I can accept, and nor should I have to. If the toilets are mixed, I’ll share, if not, no thank you.

All this fear mongering is so unnecessary. Of course women who are afraid of abuse should be protected, but so should trans-women and they are much more likely to suffer abuse (41% have according to Stonewall). There is no threat to safe spaces- Read the real story assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/721642/GEO-LGBT-factsheet.pdf
And men dressed as women are already using the ladies loos. If someone could post a story about them abusing women I would like to read it.

Trisher do you think lesbians who don't wish to have sex with a woman who has a penis are transphobic?

trisher you know it’s about far more than toilets and about far more than safety. Why not 3 categories for everything - male, female and neutral. Anyone could choose to use the third one and leave the other two for natal men and women. Why are we being erased?

And what SueD said. Can you really defend Stonewall’s position on a lesbian’s refusal to have sex with a ‘lesbian’ with a penis as transphobic? Can you really ?

there are numerous cases of women/girls being cornered, molested, assaulted by transwomen in female only spaces, eg prisons, changing rooms, etc.
here is one

www.scotsman.com/news-2-15012/female-spaces-need-better-protection-after-trans-woman-sex-assault-on-girl-say-campaigners-1-4868945

anyone can now say they are a woman, whether they have any genuine interest in being one or not, and assert their right to enter and use female-only spaces.
this is obviously open to abuse.
women and girls are vulnerable in this situation. and I don't think it's being horrible or transphobic to say so.

Any sexual activity should always be consensual. The real point about this is that actually you are discussing something which is already happening, which is largely unenforceable (is anyone really going to ask someone to prove their gender by exposing their genitals?) and which only applies to a very small percentage of the people involved. For some reason this has been blown up into a huge problem. It isn't.

You say it's a small problem, Trisher. Lesbians beg to differ. In any case, surely it's easier to get these issues sorted while they are, as you claim, still small, then everyone knows where they are.

trisher, this is more than a small problem to the women being assaulted. don't they matter. there are many more cases all over the world. do you really not know about any.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/11/transgender-prisoner-who-sexually-assaulted-inmates-jailed-for-life

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/09/one-50-prisoners-identify-transsexual-first-figures-show-amid/

www.nationalreview.com/2019/06/californias-transgender-prison-policy-is-a-disaster-for-women/

I don’t prefer the term ‘cis-women'. I’m a woman and my sex does not need a prefix to qualify it.

No, nor do I. It is another example of the trans lobby minimising the real experience of being female. Men can be women just by saying so, but women have to qualify their existence.

None of this will be doing anything to help genuine trans people, who must be suffering as a result.

I doubt that trans women are more vulnerable than women.They are still a small minority.
In real numbers woman are more vulnerable.

Reading the article about the Californian prison it does read that men are opting to identify as female in order to cause harm to females.

I think it is true that female safe spaces are under threat. Take the Hampstead swimming pools. There are three. It was always one for men, one for women and one for families and mixed bathing.
Now the Womens pool is forced to accept any man who says he identifies as a woman. So basically that safe space has now disappeared.

I also do not want to be referred to as a cis......I am a woman.

I am not a cis woman either, I am a woman.

There are millions more women than trans women, why don’t they count when set against the desire of trans women to use their private and safe spaces?
No trans women should be in any women only space whilst they are still in possession of a penis.

I would prefer to not have to share designated space-

A woman attracted to another woman discovers the woman she's attracted to has a penis because the woman is actually a man and so is no longer interested therefore her right to prefer a woman instead of a man is treated as a prejudice instead of a preference- How is that fair?

OK suppose you get you legislation saying that anyone with a penis is not permitted in a women only space, would you like to explain how this will be enforced?
I do think the first requirement of any law is that it should be enforceable.
It is already illegal for anyone (penis or not) to assault anyone else. And if you want to consider assaults upon prisoners you might look at the whole picture
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_rape_in_the_United_States

I am no expert in this field but I know trans people. One was my union rep (I didn't know she was trans for ages although it wasn't a secret , she just didn't trumpet it to all and sundry). She was a brilliant rep. Never raised her voice, intelligent and effective.
What I do know is trans and gay children are really badly bullied in school and playground. They are the children most likely to take their own lives. Trans women are more likely to be attacked and murdered than other women, more likely to be victims of domestic violence.
The current atmosphere towards trans people does remind me of the prevailing antediluvian attitudes to gay people in the past with the same tired old prejudices being trotted out (it's a phase, etc) and I do think we can all do better in treating people with more respect, whatever is or isn't between their legs. People should be judged on their character.
My other trans friend is lovely. Kind, a real asset to her community and those who know her, love her. She had her op forty years ago. I'm perfectly happy to trot off to the Ladies with her. Two ladies of a certain age having a lovely (old) girls night out. She's certainly quietly stylish and she's the honest friend I'd take clothes shopping with me. She's also the person I'd share major worries with. She's lived life and is wise.

....but even if she wasn't quietly stylish and looked like a dog's dinner with garish make-up, I'd still love her.

...by the way, when I was in my twenties I had a friend (female, heterosexual) with quite elfin looks, short hair, flat chested, didn't often wear a frock. She was always being challenged in loos and told to get out because other women thought she was a teenage boy.
I also remember a manufactured tabloid panic about lesbians using ladies loos back in the day. I have once been assaulted in a ladies loo. By a drunk belligerent woman who was convinced I was eyeing up her husband.